Tom-Dalpra [August 4, 2014 7: 56 pm]: Haha. Noooo wayyy is that Jimi Hendrix you nana! : o

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Tom-Dalpra [August 4, 2014 - 7:56 pm]: Haha. NOOOO WAYYY is that Jimi Hendrix you nana! :o)

psyopticon [August 4, 2014 - 7:56 pm]: @Tom-Dalpra: Yeah, a very British operation. In the "original" 60s footage, Jimi often doesn't sound like an American. Spent a long time at the Tavistock maybe; conditioning for the task in hand?! Hendrix (whoever he was) has interesting links to Brian Epstein (Beatles manager).

Tom-Dalpra [August 4, 2014 - 7:57 pm]: yeh, I'm prepared to be amazed and fascinated by the truth. but that AINT Jimi!

Tom-Dalpra [August 4, 2014 - 7:58 pm]: very interesting though

psyopticon [August 4, 2014 - 7:59 pm]: @Tom-Dalpra: What makes you so sure? Leon plays guitar right-handed, unlike leftie Jimi? JohnnyC and I have gotten that one nailed. Back in the day, they just flipped the film of "Jimi" in the kinescope -- et voila.. one leftie guitarist!

Tom-Dalpra [August 4, 2014 - 7:59 pm]: I would say in slight contradiction to your 'chat' take, he was pretty big when he died. Relatively so, I think. He was a star.

Tom-Dalpra [August 4, 2014 - 8:00 pm]: haha the thing is Jimi was very very good. This guy appears about at least ten years too young and talentless.

psyopticon [August 4, 2014 - 8:05 pm]: I can't remember the 60s (for very different reasons to you oldies!) but take a peek at the Jimi/Leon discography... all but four of Jimi's sixteen albums were released posthumously.. Isn't that a bit odd? And, there are hardly any references to Hendrix in the contemporary 60s press.. At least not so I can find (checked Mail/Times/S.Times).. Like he really only gained fame posthumously.

psyopticon [August 4, 2014 - 8:10 pm]: Agreed. Leon/Jimbob is totally talentless. Maybe he always was?! The wonders of the audio production studios persuaded us otherwise. And perhaps that's part of the PSYOP charm though.. Punters applauding him more out of pity -- "he's not a patch on his bruv, yer know" All that said, Wotshisname Hendrix was still commanding £25 a pop at the Howard Theatre, Cambridge tonight..

Tom-Dalpra [August 4, 2014 - 8:11 pm]: Clarity. Hendrix had well documented worldwide fame at the time.

psyopticon [August 4, 2014 - 8:12 pm]: @Tom-Dalpra: Did you go?! Share a few chords with the old maestro?

Tom-Dalpra [August 4, 2014 - 8:13 pm]: No. He's SHITE.

Tom-Dalpra [August 4, 2014 - 8:13 pm]: HAHA

Tom-Dalpra [August 4, 2014 - 8:13 pm]: funny you were just mentioning him psyopticon

psyopticon [August 4, 2014 - 8:15 pm]: Tragedy.. he's just £10 a ticket at the Robin2 club in Bilston Wolverhampton. That North/South divide again!

Tom-Dalpra [August 4, 2014 - 8:16 pm]: you better believe it. i best get to bed so I can pay the rent

psyopticon [August 4, 2014 - 8:16 pm]: I respect what you're sayin' Tom, that Hendrix had worldwide fame in 1967 (first album).. but do you personally remember that???

Tom-Dalpra [August 4, 2014 - 8:17 pm]: Oh yeh, I'm 87 years old

Tom-Dalpra [August 4, 2014 - 8:17 pm]: I was a racey 40 back then

Tom-Dalpra [August 4, 2014 - 8:18 pm]: The nature of fame and retrospective glorification is worthy of analysis

psyopticon [August 4, 2014 - 8:18 pm]: So Hendrix - and his fame pre-death - may be a case of historical revisionism?? Perhaps no one had ever heard of him.. The Times obit has to explain who he was. But then Times readers have always been out-of-touch old farts.

Tom-Dalpra [August 4, 2014 - 8:19 pm]: Hendrix was a special talent. He was famous in the 60's. Contrived fame or not

Tom-Dalpra [August 4, 2014 - 8:20 pm]: He was a special talent

psyopticon [August 4, 2014 - 8:21 pm]: Maybe Hendrix is/was a bit like that very famous paedo popstar "Ian Watkins" who was jailed today for screwing schoolgirls.. I'd never heard of him before his notoriety.

Tom-Dalpra [August 4, 2014 - 8:21 pm]: His mainstream - Times newspaper obit would be like that in '67 I'd imagine

Tom-Dalpra [August 4, 2014 - 8:22 pm]: Babies - Ian Watkins was bizarrely suggested to fancy a bit of baby

Tom-Dalpra [August 4, 2014 - 8:22 pm]: don't even think about it- peaches geldof of course tweeted her girlies

psyopticon [August 4, 2014 - 8:23 pm]: How, though, are you gauging whether Hendrix was famous, before his death? Modern day media accounts?

Tom-Dalpra [August 4, 2014 - 8:23 pm]: details

Tom-Dalpra [August 4, 2014 - 8:25 pm]: Ok. I began really being aware of Hendrix in about 1982. At that point he had been dead for a little over a decade. There's copious footage of him on live television around the world

Tom-Dalpra [August 4, 2014 - 8:27 pm]: He headlined woodstock and Monterey and the Isle of White. The guy was big. It was different times though. ''Times'' even

Tom-Dalpra [August 4, 2014 - 8:27 pm]: Record sales

psyopticon [August 4, 2014 - 8:28 pm]: So what are we saying here? Wotshisname Hendrix was performing before 1970 (year of his apparent death) ?

psyopticon [August 4, 2014 - 8:29 pm]: yeah, i don't believe record sales, nor top 40 charts, etc..

Tom-Dalpra [August 4, 2014 - 8:29 pm]: well okay...but the charts are some proof of fame in that they were published in all the popular music press at least

psyopticon [August 4, 2014 - 8:31 pm]: Lemme find the Times / Daily Mail obits..

psyopticon [August 4, 2014 - 8:32 pm]: Sorry, I'll have to do it tomorrow actually, as I've got no bandwidth left :-(

Tom-Dalpra [August 4, 2014 - 8:34 pm]: I've got to go bed anyway. Interesting subject, Having lived through Cobain and Vicious say, surely we see real fame and perhaps fake death?

psyopticon [August 4, 2014 - 8:35 pm]: Sure.. still interesting that so many "Jimi" Hendrix albums were drip-fed to us in the years after he supposedly croaked...

Joey Z [August 4, 2014 - 9:55 pm]: Ab, I'm looking forward to your next roundtable with Simon & Hoi .... when will that be....??? :-) :-) :-)

psyopticon [August 4, 2014 - 10:39 pm]: More proof that "Jimi Hendrix" is a posthumously-revered entity?.. (From Wiki)."Hendrix was the last act to perform at [Woodstock '69]. Because of the rain delays that Sunday, when Hendrix finally took the stage it was 8:30 Mon. morning. The audience, which had peaked at 400,000 during the festival, was now reduced to 30,000 by then; many of them merely waited to catch a glimpse of Hendrix be

psyopticon [August 4, 2014 - 10:40 pm]: ....waited to catch a glimpse of Hendrix before leaving during his performance."

psyopticon [August 4, 2014 - 10:40 pm]: <<<---- hardly a top-billing then...

psyopticon [August 4, 2014 - 10:42 pm]: See:

psyopticon [August 4, 2014 - 10:43 pm]: Hendrix at Woodstock '69 (allegedly)....

psyopticon [August 4, 2014 - 10:54 pm]: @Tom-Dalpra: "Hendrix" was definitely not "headlining" Woodstock '69.. In fact, it seems he was the very last billing. Most people had already drifted off before Hendrix even hit the stage (at 8.30am Monday morning!)

psyopticon [August 4, 2014 - 10:56 pm]: Woodstock '69 was just months before his death. "Jimi" Hendrix was a nobody during his life. He only gained fame in "death"; posthumously becoming a manufactured counterculture figure; a product of the Tavistock Network.

ab [August 5, 2014 - 5:07 am]: @Joey Z: soon i hope

Jan Erik Hansen [August 5, 2014 - 12:18 pm]: RT Promoting Psyops

Tom-Dalpra [August 5, 2014 - 12:31 pm]: @psyopticon: Jimi Hendrix was famous when he (is said to have) died. To say he was a nobody during his life is absurd.

Jan Erik Hansen [August 5, 2014 - 12:59 pm]: nobody has nuclear weapons, nobody...

khammad [August 5, 2014 - 1:07 pm]: @Jan Erik Hansen: Great Video. I like the ones that have a sense of humor about the obvious fakery

Jan Erik Hansen [August 5, 2014 - 1:13 pm]: Are dinosaurs just another Jesuit controlled hoax?

Jan Erik Hansen [August 5, 2014 - 1:13 pm]: @khammad: THNX

khammad [August 5, 2014 - 1:23 pm]: @Jan Erik Hansen: This video brings up a good point: dinosaur bones are basically rocks.

khammad [August 5, 2014 - 1:24 pm]: Rocks hanging from the ceiling with fishing line

khammad [August 5, 2014 - 1:25 pm]: in museums around the world

khammad [August 5, 2014 - 1:26 pm]: @Jan Erik Hansen: Do you feel like talking in the live stream on Teamspeak?

Jan Erik Hansen [August 5, 2014 - 2:02 pm]: Yes SHURE :_D

Tom-Dalpra [August 5, 2014 - 6:23 pm]: Ab episode 1! :-)

khammad [August 5, 2014 - 7:37 pm]: @Jan Erik Hansen: rain check

ab [August 5, 2014 - 7:37 pm]: psyopticon and Jan Erik in now

Jan Erik Hansen [August 5, 2014 - 7:56 pm]:

Jan Erik Hansen [August 5, 2014 - 8:07 pm]: Gaza controlled demolition hoax

Jan Erik Hansen [August 5, 2014 - 8:38 pm]: Green choir sings of torturing non-believers

khammad [August 6, 2014 - 2:38 pm]: Adam Curry often considers a nations troubles in the context of oil. Google Sierra Leon and Oil.

khammad [August 6, 2014 - 2:39 pm]: Sounds like it could be a land clearing for minerals.

khammad [August 6, 2014 - 2:44 pm]: I often think each world event is made for me, But the west African countries, Sierra Leon, Liberia, Nigeria and Guinea, might be the targets for Ebola.

khammad [August 6, 2014 - 2:51 pm]: Perhaps just Sierra Leon is the country with the land clear, and the other 3 are distractors?

khammad [August 6, 2014 - 3:04 pm]: John Rappaport does a pretty good job dispelling the hysteria around ebola.

Jan Erik Hansen [August 6, 2014 - 5:07 pm]: Gene Rosen stars in "The Sandy Hook Operation"

khammad [August 6, 2014 - 6:57 pm]: @Jan Erik Hansen: I always thought that Gene was wearing false teeth, padding, etc. to hide is true identity. The video you just posted had comments that think the same thing.

Jan Erik Hansen [August 6, 2014 - 7:43 pm]: Charles Lindbergh's September 11, 1941 Des Moines Speech

Jan Erik Hansen [August 6, 2014 - 7:44 pm]: @khammad: Yes its true !

ab [August 6, 2014 - 8:29 pm]: talk to k at in a few

ab [August 6, 2014 - 8:29 pm]: also

Jan Erik Hansen [August 6, 2014 - 8:47 pm]:

aralsea [August 6, 2014 - 9:11 pm]: Sofia Smallstorm NEW podcast

Jan Erik Hansen [August 6, 2014 - 9:34 pm]: Lloyds of london (1936)

Tom-Dalpra [August 6, 2014 - 9:46 pm]: enjoying the chat. Love it when Ab chips in with a comment from the road.

Tom-Dalpra [August 6, 2014 - 9:47 pm]: our mobile host

smj [August 6, 2014 - 9:54 pm]: there's a cyclotron in nantes, verne's birthplace, named for professor arronax from 20,000 leagues...cancer will be cured any minute it seems.

smj [August 6, 2014 - 9:59 pm]: here's a quick little history of the verne-like machine created in "le conte" feckin hall. it even has jews and commies candy.

smj [August 6, 2014 - 10:04 pm]: there's a fella in toronto who's seen through the religion-science dialectic. he runs the start with paracelsus if you like comedy,

smj [August 6, 2014 - 10:12 pm]: start with jack parsons if you like creepy shit.

Jan Erik Hansen [August 6, 2014 - 10:26 pm]: “Parents in communities across the country live in fear. An estimated 90 percent of school districts have tightened security since Newtown – installing metal detectors, surveillance cameras, and bullet-proof glass. Schools now routinely have lockdown drills reminiscent of Cold War air raid drills.â€

Jan Erik Hansen [August 6, 2014 - 10:27 pm]: *Thirty-three shootings (75 percent) involved an assault or homicide; of these, 12 incidents resulted in at least one homicide. In 11 incidents, the shooter attempted or completed suicide — in 4 incidents after shooting someone else. In 4 other incidents, no one was injured.

Jan Erik Hansen [August 6, 2014 - 10:43 pm]:

jimbo [August 6, 2014 - 10:51 pm]: Sandy Hook mom stars in Malloy's new TV ad.

smj [August 6, 2014 - 10:57 pm]: ders wormholes in dem der rabbitholes.

Jan Erik Hansen [August 6, 2014 - 11:02 pm]: Train station mass stabbing attack 'was China's 9/11'

The chilling violence at a Chinese train station which left at least 29 people dead is being seen in China "as a 9/11 style event" says Telegraph's Tom Phillips

smj [August 6, 2014 - 11:18 pm]: go figure. the father of chinese rocketry helped start jpl at cal tech. does jpl stand for jet propulsion lab or jack parson's lab? doesn't matter i guess, who cares what they name their occultic playgrounds?

smj [August 7, 2014 - 12:00 am]: After World War II he served under von Kármán as a consultant to the United States Army Air Forces, and commissioned with the assimilated rank of colonel. Von Kármán and Tsien both were sent by the Army to Germany to investigate the progress of wartime aerodynamics research. Qian investigated research facilities and interviewed German scientists including Wernher von Braun and Rudolph Hermann.

ab [August 7, 2014 - 1:21 pm]: up with old dustbans and johnnys and audiochats

ab [August 7, 2014 - 1:21 pm]: is the audiochat live stream

ab [August 7, 2014 - 1:23 pm]: is the main show stream with past fakeologist episodes

aralsea [August 7, 2014 - 2:28 pm]: Lots of gold nuggets in this audio Sofia Smallstorm NEW podcast

Tal Shiar [August 7, 2014 - 3:08 pm]: Has anyone else got a call from a random person, with them saying that

Tal Shiar [August 7, 2014 - 3:09 pm]: They work for the government and they had a dream about your number? Sounds crazy, I know . . .

ab [August 7, 2014 - 5:11 pm]: widgets on right have 3 audio players for your enjoyment

Shady Pica [August 7, 2014 - 6:50 pm]: Thought this was interesting - whats the real angle of the bill?

Shady Pica [August 7, 2014 - 6:51 pm]:

Shady Pica [August 7, 2014 - 6:52 pm]: of course no adherence to the bill for the small people

Tom-Dalpra [August 7, 2014 - 6:53 pm]: - humanitarian bombing coming right up.

Shady Pica [August 7, 2014 - 6:53 pm]: sorry I meant "big people"

Tom-Dalpra [August 7, 2014 - 6:54 pm]: hi shady. excuse my unintentional interjection

Shady Pica [August 7, 2014 - 6:55 pm]: not my stage dude - but thanks for being cordial

derealium [August 7, 2014 - 11:25 pm]: The Rollo Show? Can't I just listen extract the mp3s from old Johnny Carson shows instead? Johnny and Rollo both like to talk about their love for Jewish comedians and indifference to the queen I hear. :D

derealium [August 7, 2014 - 11:27 pm]: The next time that Rollo has an original thought or anything to offer to reality will be the first time. Alcoholic British penal island twat.

derealium [August 7, 2014 - 11:28 pm]: Oi Oi Oi

derealium [August 7, 2014 - 11:30 pm]: Rollo was the inspiration for my original rant about morons who turn every conversation into a Jon Bon Jovi bullshit chat

derealium [August 7, 2014 - 11:42 pm]: Anyways, limited hangout, peace. Everything is indeed fake, including most of the people here.

Banazir Galbasi [August 7, 2014 - 11:44 pm]: Here we go again...:O

derealium [August 7, 2014 - 11:53 pm]: Going nowhere, Banazir, lotta truth you extracted from suicidal rollo in that last call. what a fucking waste of my time. I'm gone, but I hope rollo offs himself.

Banazir Galbasi [August 7, 2014 - 11:56 pm]: How pleasant of you to say. Well done.

Rollo [August 8, 2014 - 12:29 am]: Hey Derealium, Its up to Ab whether he posts my audio or not you mate, get on there and talk about what you want to talk about , no-ones stopping you, Jesus you are winging little bitch at times

derealium [August 8, 2014 - 12:32 am]:

Rollo [August 8, 2014 - 12:32 am]: dont like what i have to say, dont listen...simple...ill still listen to what you have to say whatever it is....

psyopticon [August 8, 2014 - 12:33 am]: Heh, great to see you back derealium :-)

psyopticon [August 8, 2014 - 12:33 am]: wtf is the argument between you guys about now??

psyopticon [August 8, 2014 - 12:33 am]: @derealium: email me buddy:

Dustyash [August 8, 2014 - 12:35 am]: @Rollo: Give us a skype

Rollo [August 8, 2014 - 12:35 am]: ok one sec

derealium [August 8, 2014 - 12:36 am]: you know what you did rollo. acted like you were cool with me then bring up bullshit the next time i talk to you. Seems you want online friendships cuz you probably get your teeth knocked out at bars. 'round here you'd surely be toothless with your loose lips

psyopticon [August 8, 2014 - 12:39 am]: From where does this argument stem, guys? From the inaugural Rollo show? i.e. --- if so, where do I fast-forward to get the gist?!

derealium [August 8, 2014 - 12:42 am]: @psyopticon: nope, we were just talking on audiochat and rollo came on and instantly brought up some shit we'd squashed...I hung up. surely you remember that.

psyopticon [August 8, 2014 - 12:45 am]: ahh. of course i remember.

psyopticon [August 8, 2014 - 12:47 am]: Not sure what to say. Rollo is just a typically blunt Ozzie. (That's why we transported them - lack of basic manners, not to mention the hygiene issues.) Can't you let sleeping dogs lie everyone?!

psyopticon [August 8, 2014 - 12:49 am]: on a lighter and classier note - here's Jimi Hendrix's brother, signing autographs tonight, on some fat chick's arse.

psyopticon [August 8, 2014 - 12:58 am]: This is where Hendrix's niece apparently lives. Can you tell?

psyopticon [August 8, 2014 - 12:58 am]: How do you poke people with this text chat thing?

smj [August 8, 2014 - 2:05 am]: this guy does a succinct take-down of quantum mechanics, and he gives bishop berkeley a well-deserved chastening as well. too bad he still believes in nukes though.

smj [August 8, 2014 - 2:09 am]: oh, and i agree with derealium, rollo is a dick.

Rollo [August 8, 2014 - 2:51 am]: a Big Dick...I concur

aralsea [August 8, 2014 - 7:27 am]: @Rollo: You mean a BIg Richard?

aralsea [August 8, 2014 - 7:28 am]: @Rollo: :D:-):)

ab [August 8, 2014 - 7:43 am]: using backup audiochat right now...

ab [August 8, 2014 - 7:43 am]: server address is

smj [August 8, 2014 - 9:54 am]: i have no idea how large rollo may be; with all his histrionics i figured he must be little fella, kind of like ace baker.

smj [August 8, 2014 - 9:56 am]: and i'm using the histrionics in the truest sense of the word.

ab [August 8, 2014 - 5:30 pm]: it appears the audiochat came back.

psyopticon [August 8, 2014 - 5:56 pm]: @Tom-Dalpra: Your last change to see "Leon Hendrix" -- farewell gig of his UK 2014 tour at Cambridge Rock Festival tomorrow (Sat 9 Aug!) Maybe teach him a string or two, Tom?!

psyopticon [August 8, 2014 - 6:05 pm]: @Tom-Dalpra:

PeterShea [August 8, 2014 - 6:14 pm]: you were in there quick evil enda when possible controversy was first mentioned by derealium on rollo's inaugural 'show'. early damage control mate? no worries, your secret is safe with moi......I wouldn't read too much into it derealium. rollo drifts without thinking (or malice), especially with bear involved. and beer too. i hope you stick around.

PeterShea [August 8, 2014 - 6:15 pm]: i didn't know ye were live.

PeterShea [August 8, 2014 - 6:15 pm]: ok.

Tom-Dalpra [August 8, 2014 - 7:12 pm]: @psyopticon: Hendrix's brother is playing at the Rock Festival, I have no desire to see him! I'm not sure where you're at with the Hendrix real story. Certainly the 'brother' isn't him haha and he was famous in his lifetime - until i see something to prove otherwise.

psyopticon [August 8, 2014 - 7:40 pm]: You're too critical Tom! "Leon Hendrix" can play the air guitar as well as any of us. Certainly he plays his guitar as well as "brother Jimi" ever did. From studying footage of Hendrix at Woodstock, Stockholm, Albert Hall, etc.. it seems that Jimi couldn't play it either - just overdubbing/video fakery. What's new? Presley can't/couldn't twang one chord, could he?

psyopticon [August 8, 2014 - 7:45 pm]: It's hard to corroborate the claims that Hendrix was very famous before his death. I mean really famous. The "best paid musician in the world" - that kind of famous. Searching newspaper archives for "Hendrix" crops up negligible references to him pre-death (before Sept 1970). Why is that? If he was universally known, why, in 3+ years (1967-1970) are there only fleeting mentions?

psyopticon [August 8, 2014 - 7:51 pm]: It seems, in Hendrix, we may have a case of Official Historical Revisionism. A hitherto unknown or, at best, scarcely known entity - "Jimi Hendrix" was artificially elevated, "after death" (contrived or otherwise) into superstar status. Let's be clear - there's no reason to trust any of the contemporary footage of "Hendrix" - did he really perform at Woodstock / Monterey / Isle of Wigh

ab [August 8, 2014 - 8:56 pm]: Audiochat is back! ,,,

Banazir Galbasi [August 8, 2014 - 9:42 pm]:

Banazir Galbasi [August 8, 2014 - 9:42 pm]: ... Videre's link.

Banazir Galbasi [August 8, 2014 - 9:52 pm]: Bubonic Plague

CalcifiedLies [August 8, 2014 - 10:00 pm]: Ebola money grab, was on clinical hold with uncertain future, now set to make some nice profits for the shareholders as the "epidemic" spreads and

CalcifiedLies [August 8, 2014 - 10:06 pm]: TKM-Ebola, an anti-Ebola virus RNAi therapeutic, is being developed under a $140 million contract with the U.S. Department of Defense's Medical Countermeasure Systems BioDefense Therapeutics (MCS-BDTX) Joint Product Management Office

CalcifiedLies [August 8, 2014 - 10:06 pm]:

CalcifiedLies [August 8, 2014 - 10:10 pm]: "Tekmira’s Lipid Nanoparticle (LNP) technology represents the most widely adopted RNAi delivery technology to date. Administered intravenously, our LNP delivery technology allows RNAi drugs to be encapsulated in tiny particles made of lipids (fats or oils). These tiny particles – LNP – travel through the bloodstream to target tissues", i.e. this is nano-technology

Banazir Galbasi [August 8, 2014 - 10:19 pm]: "Bubonic" in the English Ordinal system equals 66 (2+21+2+15+14+9+3)

CalcifiedLies [August 8, 2014 - 10:23 pm]: That is an interesting find on the bubonic plague all around....this is the same disease that supposedly wiped out 25 million Europeans in the "black death"

Banazir Galbasi [August 8, 2014 - 10:38 pm]: Sars hoax too?

Banazir Galbasi [August 8, 2014 - 10:41 pm]: Hi CalcifiedLies. Yes it seems to be something of an admission for perhaps the whole thing. You on teamspeak right now?

CalcifiedLies [August 8, 2014 - 10:41 pm]: Any epidemic promoted by the media is certainly BS, SARS, Swine Flu, Ebola. You were all over this theme in the MH17 thread Banazir, that's how this subconscious language works, it is embedded in the fake events as a second language

CalcifiedLies [August 8, 2014 - 10:47 pm]: No but I'm down to get on there if you or anyone else wants to, checked a few minutes ago but there were no signs of life

Banazir Galbasi [August 8, 2014 - 10:48 pm]: I cant talk at the moment but psyopticon is on maybe for a bit longer. I will try to be on later.

CalcifiedLies [August 8, 2014 - 10:49 pm]: Sounds good

psyopticon [August 8, 2014 - 11:22 pm]: The Hendrix brothers:

Banazir Galbasi [August 9, 2014 - 12:52 am]: Oh no, Doggy virus! *cough *cough err *ruff *ruff

Tom-Dalpra [August 9, 2014 - 3:58 am]: 'embedded in fake events as second language'- excellent Calcified

Tom-Dalpra [August 9, 2014 - 3:59 am]: Banazir had indeed pointed to the yellow suits. We were expecting this

ab [August 9, 2014 - 5:32 pm]: @Tom-Dalpra: install teamviewer and I'll help you with your audio if you want.

Tom-Dalpra [August 9, 2014 - 8:26 pm]: okay T. Thanks. When I get a minute. Been very busy.

Tom-Dalpra [August 9, 2014 - 9:26 pm]: Got no sound. Catch up later. :o) Love to all :|:-*

ab [August 9, 2014 - 9:27 pm]: @Tom-Dalpra: you have too many technical problems!

khammad [August 10, 2014 - 3:15 am]: .

smj [August 10, 2014 - 1:00 pm]: la mala tiene 33 anos...

smj [August 10, 2014 - 1:03 pm]: from the bruja (witch) album.

Tom-Dalpra [August 10, 2014 - 4:52 pm]: My friends were actually IN the Leon Hendrix band. Booga on guitar and Cath Coombs on vocal. He can barely sing or play guitar. He walked off during Fire and came back at the end when it finished with the line

Tom-Dalpra [August 10, 2014 - 4:56 pm]: ''I had to go to the loo''.

Tom-Dalpra [August 10, 2014 - 4:57 pm]: Says it all. Toilet theory.

Tom-Dalpra [August 10, 2014 - 4:59 pm]: ''K Mad Ham and the Profound Periods'' were the support act.

Tom-Dalpra [August 10, 2014 - 5:04 pm]: just trying to download that support you suggested ab

Tom-Dalpra [August 10, 2014 - 5:07 pm]: need a 'partner id' apparently

Tom-Dalpra [August 10, 2014 - 5:41 pm]: .

psyopticon [August 10, 2014 - 6:43 pm]: See & & --- Checkout all those news articles from 1970 about Hendrix. All reporting that he was "24 years old" when he died. The Mirror, Evening News, Daily Mail, and even The Times said it. Yet we're now told he was 27. Strange error to make, for someone so famous?? Maybe not so famous

psyopticon [August 10, 2014 - 6:50 pm]: What of this confusion between 24 years old and 27 years old? Conspiracy Candy? Or something else? Did they erroneously report his "age at death" on someone else's, maybe? Perhaps that was the real age of the actor who played the Jimi Hendrix part, up until his "fatal overdose"?? Was 24 the real age of younger brother "Leon Hendrix", maybe?

Banazir Galbasi [August 10, 2014 - 8:08 pm]: tune in to Rollo live on the s3 stream soon...

ab [August 10, 2014 - 9:37 pm]: @Tom-Dalpra: send me a message with your partner ID and password and I can log in to help

khammad [August 11, 2014 - 12:35 am]: @Tom-Dalpra: .

khammad [August 11, 2014 - 12:50 am]: @Tom-Dalpra: We should hold a very public conversation where tens of listeners can overhear every word we say and then if they wish, can replay it over and over again.

Tom-Dalpra [August 11, 2014 - 3:59 am]: @ab: 674 068 026 @khammad what a capital idea. You could call it 'Fakeologist Radio'. See you there

khammad [August 11, 2014 - 4:14 am]: @Tom-Dalpra: I'll be looking out for ya :P

Tom-Dalpra [August 11, 2014 - 4:18 am]: good:D:o)

ab [August 11, 2014 - 5:44 am]: @Tom-Dalpra: I'll wait until it's hooked's not on now

ab [August 11, 2014 - 5:44 am]: @khammad: listened to Aug7-8 after show audiochat. You're a natural! Could you do a regular audio? Excellent radio voice and enjoy hearing about your research.

Banazir Galbasi [August 11, 2014 - 1:58 pm]: Unlikely building collapse coincidence:

ab [August 11, 2014 - 4:20 pm]: audiochat will be available again in a minute

ab [August 11, 2014 - 4:21 pm]: backup is available, first one there needs to create fakeologist channel with password fake

ab [August 11, 2014 - 4:36 pm]: back

Banazir Galbasi [August 11, 2014 - 7:08 pm]: Robin Williams dead?

Jan Erik Hansen [August 11, 2014 - 7:38 pm]: There Are No Nations Mr. Beale! It's All Business!

Jan Erik Hansen [August 11, 2014 - 7:41 pm]: How "They" turned People into Dumb-Downed Debt Slaves...

UNreal [August 11, 2014 - 8:13 pm]: robin williams suicides 11/8 by asphyxia,,,

UNreal [August 11, 2014 - 8:13 pm]:

UNreal [August 11, 2014 - 8:16 pm]: Marin County Communications received a 9-1-1 telephone call at approximately 11:55,,,,

UNreal [August 11, 2014 - 8:18 pm]: Robin McLaurin Williams was pronounced deceased at 12:02 pm,,

Carys [August 11, 2014 - 8:59 pm]: @UNreal: @Banazir Galbasi: Death, possibly suicide, due to asphyxia ---> Robin Williams: Weapons of Self Destruction (2009)

smj [August 11, 2014 - 9:09 pm]: bill libby's old lady is the chick enjoying some chianti in the picture simon posted in the nuke hoax thread on cluesforum. she was at the fermi shit-pile in ci cago when they opened the fiasco.

small world.

psyopticon [August 11, 2014 - 11:01 pm]: @UNreal: In 2009, Williams underwent Aortic Valve Replacement (AVR) aged 59. Five year male survival rate after AVR surgery at that age is just under 80%. - i.e. over 20% of men of Williams' age are dead within 5 years of AVR surgery. By contrast, the suicide rate for his age group (55-64) is less than 0.01%. Ignoring the media's premature pronouncements, what's the more likely cause of death?

jimbo [August 11, 2014 - 11:19 pm]: It looks like it could be AVR surgury mortality rate killing Robin. But if so, why report it as suicide? The word on the street seems to buy into the suicide story so far. Where did he live and what did his friends and neighbors notice about him? Was he depressed when around them, talking wierd and all? Wouldn't he think about the effects of his suicide on his friends, neighbors, and family and s

jimbo [August 11, 2014 - 11:20 pm]: say, screw that, I'll just live out my life and spare my peeps the anguish of suicide?

psyopticon [August 11, 2014 - 11:29 pm]: His death dressed up as suicide to promote psycho-pharmaceutical complex? Encouraging more people to "seek help before it's too late!" Some knuckle-dragging CNN talking head was just pouring out her heart about her own suicidal ideations. See: Anything to boost the plunging stock price of GSK?! Beleaguered GSK sells the top-selling happy-pills Paxil & Wellbutrin.

jimbo [August 11, 2014 - 11:38 pm]: The above news link. An autopsy scheduled for 8-12(11). Dies at 63(9). I'm getting sick of this shit. Matrix owners: Dickheads.

psyopticon [August 11, 2014 - 11:46 pm]: Williams could have died weeks/months ago, and kept on ice. With Nutwork busy in the meantime writing his suicide psyop narrative (if that's what it was). Plenty of time then to weave in the occultic numerology for a few bonus points. Oh what spooky fun!

UNreal [August 12, 2014 - 2:11 am]: @psyopticon the aortic valve operation coild be a factor, but this oparation could have been a hoax as well, like with Angelina Jolie,,, i believe these public figures always play after a scripted book,, until they die,,,

ab [August 12, 2014 - 5:26 am]: @psyopticon: @UNreal: all good possibilities.

UNreal [August 12, 2014 - 5:48 am]: some 'Die-no-soar' speculations: could T Rex Dino tissue in fact be KFC chicken wings ?article here

UNreal [August 12, 2014 - 5:50 am]: can christians believe in dino's too? christian scientist finds 4000year old soft tissue in Hell Creek, gets fired and hire Brad Dacuse to accuse Csun July 22 in LA,, ARTICLE

aralsea [August 12, 2014 - 7:51 am]: Dustban can continue on skype IMHO.

Jan Erik Hansen [August 12, 2014 - 8:51 am]:

psyopticon [August 12, 2014 - 9:59 am]: -- "Child in buggy blown on to London Tube line" (with CCTV footage).. What is this???? A fictitious drama/psyop cooked up as a "Public Information Film"? (see ) -- Charley says.. "hold on to your kiddies at all times!"

Jan Erik Hansen [August 12, 2014 - 10:10 am]: psyopticon WE ARE ON THE AUIO CHAT

smj [August 12, 2014 - 10:53 am]:

smj [August 12, 2014 - 10:59 am]: the co2 hoax goes all the way back to svante arrhenius. he played the good cop for today's bad climate cops.

smj [August 12, 2014 - 11:29 am]: make some ceviche a couple times a week, it will change your life.

ab [August 12, 2014 - 1:05 pm]: @aralsea: Dustban can continue anywhere it likes. Audiochat is just another in a million ways to communicate.

PeterShea [August 12, 2014 - 2:06 pm]: so rob-in will-i-ams expired due to asphyxia, eh? did he just play the hanging man or fool card? also didn't yan erik confirm recently that all the venician families upped and moved east? Gooood Morning Vietnam!!!

Tom-Dalpra [August 12, 2014 - 2:25 pm]: haha! loving your work Peter

Jan Erik Hansen [August 12, 2014 - 2:27 pm]: @PeterShea: :)

aralsea [August 12, 2014 - 2:58 pm]: If you want to remember Robin Williams, watch his 2004 movie "Final Cut" has a kind of Fakeologist theme.

aralsea [August 12, 2014 - 3:02 pm]: @ab: Indeed, I will eventually get Team Speak to work for me. TS is more for a select group whereas Skype is more universally used. Enjoying Rollo ep1 :D

PeterShea [August 12, 2014 - 3:54 pm]: @tom...I haven't worked in years m8. :P

PeterShea [August 12, 2014 - 3:57 pm]: would love to hear you and yan erik have a good chat on teamspeak tom. that would be one worth recording.

Tom-Dalpra [August 12, 2014 - 4:02 pm]: I know nothing about Norwegan cooking

Tom-Dalpra [August 12, 2014 - 4:36 pm]: I am also unable and unwilling to spend the time, fucking about trying to get the cunting thing working

khammad [August 12, 2014 - 4:45 pm]: @Tom-Dalpra: Having trouble with Teamspeak?

Tom-Dalpra [August 12, 2014 - 4:46 pm]: haha no, but I was. Nowadays I just accept it as a fact of life. It's annoying

ab [August 12, 2014 - 4:50 pm]: @Tom-Dalpra: you want help on teamspeak? I'm around if you can send me your details at in private

khammad [August 12, 2014 - 4:51 pm]: Oh, so you bandy about words like fucking and cunting for annoying things? I can't wait to get you live on Teamspeak. It should be an extremely colourful conversation.

khammad [August 12, 2014 - 4:51 pm]: @Tom-Dalpra: O:-D

Tom-Dalpra [August 12, 2014 - 4:55 pm]: sorry, I'm tired

Tom-Dalpra [August 12, 2014 - 4:56 pm]: two long weeks hauling shellac. The secretions of a beetle which made old 78's

Tom-Dalpra [August 12, 2014 - 4:56 pm]: By hand. Tons of boxes

khammad [August 12, 2014 - 4:56 pm]: @Tom-Dalpra: No, no, I am not chastising you. I am teasing you.

Tom-Dalpra [August 12, 2014 - 4:57 pm]: Broke lots of records and other puns

khammad [August 12, 2014 - 4:57 pm]: @Tom-Dalpra: haha

Tom-Dalpra [August 12, 2014 - 4:59 pm]: Fair enough. You've been around but you broke into life while I was 'away' with this teamspeak. Now, like a child I come back to the party tired and grumpy - can't do it - feel excluded etc yawn

khammad [August 12, 2014 - 4:59 pm]: @ab: Thanks for the compliment earlier about audiochat Aug7-8. Coming from you it means a lot.

ab [August 12, 2014 - 5:00 pm]: Jan Erik Answers - a new show Fridays at 9:11pm - Jan says he's considering it. Let's give him encouragement here!

Tom-Dalpra [August 12, 2014 - 5:01 pm]: then there was the Ed Chiari ( is it) moment. It appeared to me that you were questioning me, having 'spoken' to him. Here on the chat. Psyopticon appeared to suggest it too

khammad [August 12, 2014 - 5:01 pm]: @Tom-Dalpra: We did have a huge party while you were gone. Lot's of food, drink and foolin' around. If you start a party, when you are up to it, I am sure most of us will attend.

ab [August 12, 2014 - 5:02 pm]: @khammad: That's kind - I recorded that message to you twice but the audio was so poor I had to do it over. It was quite spontaneous at the time. So can we book you as a regular for a day or two a month?

ab [August 12, 2014 - 5:02 pm]: @Tom-Dalpra: Let's get this teamspeak setup mate it's not hard.

khammad [August 12, 2014 - 5:03 pm]: @Tom-Dalpra: You are a stand up guy. I believe you are real and honest. Anyone who breaks records is alright with me.

khammad [August 12, 2014 - 5:04 pm]: @ab: It would be quite agreeable to do a show on a regular basis.

khammad [August 12, 2014 - 5:06 pm]: @Tom-Dalpra: I used the word 'colourful' instead of 'colorful' to make you feel at home. What else can I do so that you forgive the errors of my ways?

ab [August 12, 2014 - 5:06 pm]: @khammad: Amazing. Well, the air is always open so pick a time and date and we'll meet you there. How about Thursdays?

khammad [August 12, 2014 - 5:08 pm]: @ab: Thursdays with K, sounds great!

khammad [August 12, 2014 - 5:10 pm]: @ab: What time frame ?

aralsea [August 12, 2014 - 5:11 pm]: @Tom-Dalpra: Old 78's Cool. Gonna digitize them? Rare stuff?

Tom-Dalpra [August 12, 2014 - 5:13 pm]: Some rare. Thousands (250). Really interesting some great stuff. It's like hunting for treasure.

Tom-Dalpra [August 12, 2014 - 5:14 pm]: My mate's a dealer in old records.

Tom-Dalpra [August 12, 2014 - 5:15 pm]: Please Please Me - single - ( with the right label) = £4,000

ab [August 12, 2014 - 5:17 pm]: @khammad: Whenever you want. 9:11 EDT is good for North Americans but really time is up to you.

Tom-Dalpra [August 12, 2014 - 5:19 pm]: see ya there K. and PERHAPS on teamspeak if I can.

aralsea [August 12, 2014 - 5:19 pm]: @Tom-Dalpra: Awesome. I dont have a 78 player but we have a lot at the thrift shops. still. I got the original 45rpm of Good Vibrations last month

khammad [August 12, 2014 - 5:20 pm]: @ab: I have put it in my calendar so we are a go

Tom-Dalpra [August 12, 2014 - 5:26 pm]: It's the musical treasure i look for. look forward to it K. K is my mother and daughter's name

Tom-Dalpra [August 12, 2014 - 5:30 pm]: Good Vibrations to all :o) remember it's monkey meme summer :o):o)8)8o

khammad [August 12, 2014 - 5:37 pm]: @Tom-Dalpra:

khammad [August 12, 2014 - 5:40 pm]: @Tom-Dalpra: Maybe this guy can help supervise your box situation.

Tom-Dalpra [August 12, 2014 - 5:41 pm]: quite

Tom-Dalpra [August 12, 2014 - 5:41 pm]: hairy bastard

khammad [August 12, 2014 - 5:49 pm]: I wonder if the monkey meme is also to promote the Planet of the Apes movie

Tom-Dalpra [August 12, 2014 - 5:50 pm]: haha symbiotic is the word perhaps

Tom-Dalpra [August 12, 2014 - 5:51 pm]: I saw an advert for travel insurance with just a big picture of a grimacing monkey

khammad [August 12, 2014 - 5:52 pm]: Exactly. I often think that movies with the 'right message' (most likely made for that purpose) are promoted all through the media.

Tom-Dalpra [August 12, 2014 - 5:53 pm]: yep...when everything is predictable you can tie it all in.

Tom-Dalpra [August 12, 2014 - 5:53 pm]: you got the inside track on every game

khammad [August 12, 2014 - 5:56 pm]: At some point, I would like to put together a list of every movie the CIA or FBI has produced.

Tom-Dalpra [August 12, 2014 - 5:57 pm]: BIG AGENDA MOVIES - the list is endless

khammad [August 12, 2014 - 6:00 pm]: My friends do not believe that the the CIA or FBI has ever produced a movie. From this, I conclude that society probably has the same attitude. I would post this 'LIST' , make a video, etc. I have big plans for the list.

ab [August 12, 2014 - 6:03 pm]: @khammad: See you Thursday. I like your spunk woman!

Tom-Dalpra [August 12, 2014 - 6:04 pm]: Quite

Tom-Dalpra [August 12, 2014 - 6:05 pm]: spunky :o) :P

khammad [August 12, 2014 - 6:06 pm]: What gentlemen you are!

khammad [August 12, 2014 - 6:07 pm]: Tom, are you calling me a spunky monkey?

khammad [August 12, 2014 - 6:07 pm]: hahahaha

Tom-Dalpra [August 12, 2014 - 6:08 pm]: :idea:

Tom-Dalpra [August 12, 2014 - 6:09 pm]: @ab: I'll mail ya mate re my technophobia

khammad [August 12, 2014 - 6:12 pm]: @Tom-Dalpra:

Tom-Dalpra [August 12, 2014 - 6:13 pm]: sending people bananas is about right

psyopticon [August 12, 2014 - 6:14 pm]: More fakery in the Hendrix Hoax... A mention of "Hendrix" in Daily Mail article of (appropriately) 1st April 1967. One of just 15 Mail articles between 1967 (alleged "stardom") and 1970 (alleged "death") where his name was fleetingly mentioned. And yet again(!) "Hendrix" is given a phony age (21 instead of 25)! How many articles is that now, with the wrong age reported?!

psyopticon [August 12, 2014 - 6:14 pm]:

Tom-Dalpra [August 12, 2014 - 6:18 pm]: what about all the music press from back in the day. How do you explain that psyopticon?

psyopticon [August 12, 2014 - 6:19 pm]: Even by the time of his apparent death, the meeja was still wrongly reporting Hendrix's age -- always knocking three/four years OFF his "official" age. His vanishingly small fanbois was too stoned to notice?! It was a while later before this fabulously phony figure was officially aged three/four years, allowing him VIP access into that exclusive 27-Club!

khammad [August 12, 2014 - 6:20 pm]: Boom!

Tom-Dalpra [August 12, 2014 - 6:20 pm]: poof

Tom-Dalpra [August 12, 2014 - 6:20 pm]: Fuckin' ridiculous

Tom-Dalpra [August 12, 2014 - 6:21 pm]: Beyond unintelligent

Tom-Dalpra [August 12, 2014 - 6:21 pm]: Philistinic

Tom-Dalpra [August 12, 2014 - 6:21 pm]: is that a word?

psyopticon [August 12, 2014 - 6:22 pm]: It's time to make a little video about Hendrix to explore the distinct lack of media coverage in him - almost total disinterest - prior to his apparent death in Sept 1970!

ab [August 12, 2014 - 6:24 pm]: @psyopticon: @psyopticon: I know I don't care much about him. I was always puzzled by his elevation to god-status in guitar playing. If someone has to keep telling me that someone is soooo good, then I rarely listen

ab [August 12, 2014 - 6:24 pm]: @psyopticon: that link says you've had that silly tv licence program even back then? wowsers

Tom-Dalpra [August 12, 2014 - 6:25 pm]: Ok. Keep it simple. What psyopticon is saying is provably quite wrong

Tom-Dalpra [August 12, 2014 - 6:25 pm]: Hendrix was well known in his lifetime

ab [August 12, 2014 - 6:26 pm]: @Tom-Dalpra: what is your teamview user name?

psyopticon [August 12, 2014 - 6:26 pm]: @ab: Whatshisname ("Jimi"?) Hendrix couldn't/can't play the guitar to save his life!

Tom-Dalpra [August 12, 2014 - 6:26 pm]: Dal Tampra

Tom-Dalpra [August 12, 2014 - 6:26 pm]: psyopticon is a comedian

psyopticon [August 12, 2014 - 6:28 pm]: £5 a year TV licence in 1967. It's £145.50 today. And costs £500 million to pay for that army of old hags - the "TV Licensing Authority" officers who call door-to-door, checking that you're suitably dosed up on your propaganda.

ab [August 12, 2014 - 6:28 pm]: @Tom-Dalpra: it doesn't like that name. I'll need your partner ID

Tom-Dalpra [August 12, 2014 - 6:29 pm]: i haven't got a partner

Tom-Dalpra [August 12, 2014 - 6:30 pm]: where do i find that?

khammad [August 12, 2014 - 6:30 pm]: @psyopticon: A boyfriend of mine in high high school was NUTS about Jimi. Had all of his albums. All we did was go to his bedroom and listen to Hendir, nuthin else.. That's why I broke up with him. ;)

khammad [August 12, 2014 - 6:30 pm]: Hendrix

ab [August 12, 2014 - 6:31 pm]: @Tom-Dalpra: main page...your ID. don't give me the password over here, email me that

ab [August 12, 2014 - 6:31 pm]: @khammad: what a dummy your boyfriend was.

psyopticon [August 12, 2014 - 6:31 pm]: Yeah, similar memories, khammad! I had some friends who were evicted from their home for their love of Hendrix (noise nuisance) !!

khammad [August 12, 2014 - 6:33 pm]: Ever since I learned that Peter Frampton faked the 'talking' guitar, I have been suspicious of Hendrix.

psyopticon [August 12, 2014 - 6:33 pm]: Hehe!

khammad [August 12, 2014 - 6:35 pm]: Framptons whole crew knew it was faked. The stage hands knew, a ton of people knew. But we did not!

khammad [August 12, 2014 - 6:36 pm]: Frampton did not have to confess, Why would he?

psyopticon [August 12, 2014 - 6:36 pm]: That particular Hendrix incident couldn't be more fake. There's no signifiant power in a guitar.

psyopticon [August 12, 2014 - 6:37 pm]: it's just a few milliamps, isn't it? About as much as a turntable pickup, no?

psyopticon [August 12, 2014 - 6:38 pm]: You guys think Hendrix is a waste of fakeology time? Please be frank!

Tom-Dalpra [August 12, 2014 - 6:38 pm]: what do you know about guitars psyopticon? NOTHING

Tom-Dalpra [August 12, 2014 - 6:39 pm]: sorry answering my own question. Yes, stop it

Tom-Dalpra [August 12, 2014 - 6:40 pm]: I'm a 30 year pro

psyopticon [August 12, 2014 - 6:40 pm]: Well what electronic equipment is in an electric guitar? A low-voltage pre-amp, drawing a fraction of an ampere? So how did Hendrix's instrument "catch fire", burning his hand so severely he needed hospital treatment? Alternatively, it was a pretty gauche effort to make a headline out of a nobody.

Tom-Dalpra [August 12, 2014 - 6:41 pm]: If this is how you carry out the rest of your research psyopticon you're showing your conclusions can be extremely flaky

Tom-Dalpra [August 12, 2014 - 6:42 pm]: he set his own guitar on fire. so what? It WAS great

psyopticon [August 12, 2014 - 6:43 pm]: There's quite a few separate strands of fakeological research here, worthy of study. The suiciding of his lover, Monika Danneman; the striking-off of the medic who reportedly tried to resuscitate him; the mysterious (alleged) plane crash over France of his manager -- (look at that pathetic "crash" image!)

psyopticon [August 12, 2014 - 6:44 pm]: Everything about Hendrix screams fake!

khammad [August 12, 2014 - 6:44 pm]: Do electric guitars often catch fire?

Tom-Dalpra [August 12, 2014 - 6:45 pm]: he cunting set it on fire. You can see him spraying gas on it

Tom-Dalpra [August 12, 2014 - 6:46 pm]: i like that word now

Tom-Dalpra [August 12, 2014 - 6:46 pm]: spraying

psyopticon [August 12, 2014 - 6:46 pm]: Really? That footage (from a completely different event) looks very belatedly produced. Definitely not 1960s.. Glorious 21st century technicolour..

khammad [August 12, 2014 - 6:47 pm]: @Tom-Dalpra: hahahahha

Tom-Dalpra [August 12, 2014 - 6:48 pm]: what footage psyopticon? The film Monterey Pop looks gloriously 1967 to me

Tom-Dalpra [August 12, 2014 - 6:49 pm]: how old are you psyopticon. Are you like a prodigious 11 year old with a grown-up voice?

Tom-Dalpra [August 12, 2014 - 6:51 pm]: is Andrew Johnson your mate?

psyopticon [August 12, 2014 - 6:51 pm]: In Hendrix, we have one of the most important fake creations of the music industry, Tom. In that BBC photo ^^^^^ don't you just luuurve the way the ploughing ridges in the field remain completely untouched by the crash landing of a THIRTY-SIX TONNE McDonnell-Douglas DC9!! Supposedly it had a mid-air collision at 27,000 feet! Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus!

Tom-Dalpra [August 12, 2014 - 6:52 pm]: what's trhat got to do with Hendrix not actually being known in his lifetime?

aralsea [August 12, 2014 - 6:52 pm]: Hendrix burn his guitar to upstage The WHO destroying their stuff @ Monterey

psyopticon [August 12, 2014 - 6:54 pm]: That DC9 crash "faux-to" is obviously fake. Ergo, Hendrix's manager (whoever he supposedly is/was) didn't die on that flight. So no reason to believe anything much else about "Hendrix".

psyopticon [August 12, 2014 - 6:55 pm]: That's the narrative, aralsea. Did anyone see Hendrix at Monterey? Did he headline Monterey, like his did Woodstock (not!)

aralsea [August 12, 2014 - 6:58 pm]: Jimi was 3rd last after The WHO. Festival closed by Mama and Papas. He was added to Woodstock at last minute on Monday morning

psyopticon [August 12, 2014 - 6:59 pm]: Well that's one version of events. And not a particularly credible one, aralsea. Checkout the wikipedia explanation for why Hendrix appeared at 8.30am Monday morning (if he did). Conveniently when almost everyone had gone home.

psyopticon [August 12, 2014 - 7:02 pm]: Love the idea that Hendrix gave an amazing rendition of Star Spangled Banner at Woodstock 1969. It's just that no one had bothered to hang around to hear it! And that footage of his magnificent performance only surfaced in the mid-1990s! What can we learn from that?!

psyopticon [August 12, 2014 - 7:04 pm]: I'm going to have to press you for an answer! And no conferring, please!

aralsea [August 12, 2014 - 7:04 pm]: Wiki reason is believable. Heavy rain the day b4 set things off schedule so he played early monday

Tom-Dalpra [August 12, 2014 - 7:05 pm]: and was top of the bill because he was popular and brilliant

psyopticon [August 12, 2014 - 7:06 pm]: You guys are so full of it! Fakeologists?! Seriously?!

psyopticon [August 12, 2014 - 7:06 pm]: I think we've blown the Hendrix Hoax, guys. Fake plane crash, fake suicide, fake doctor. "Hendrix" epitomises Fakery.

Tom-Dalpra [August 12, 2014 - 7:06 pm]: night night psyopticon

aralsea [August 12, 2014 - 7:07 pm]: Lots of footage is never seen for legal reasons etc. Actually I think the hendrix footage was always in the film since 1970.

aralsea [August 12, 2014 - 7:10 pm]: The "complete" footage came out in the 90's. edited in original film. Like all the acts. In fact many acts were not in the original film. CCR, The Band,

psyopticon [August 12, 2014 - 7:10 pm]: I've barely roused from my slumber, Tom-Dalpra! Give us the Official Line on the mysterious meeja errors over Hendrix's age. Why was he reportedly "21" when he should have been 24 or even 25? And then "24" when he was supposed to be 27, and so on? The guy was/is completely fake. A nobody who couldn't/can't even play the air-guitar very well.

psyopticon [August 12, 2014 - 7:11 pm]: Jimi Hendrix is just like his younger brother "Leon Hendrix"... Talentless. You're dead right on that, Tom.

aralsea [August 12, 2014 - 7:13 pm]: Hendrix was a great guitarist. Terrible wardrobe. Not my fav but he was talented. Good Vibrations to all. :D

psyopticon [August 12, 2014 - 7:15 pm]: aralsea: Ahhh.. one of those dodgy claims of "digital remastering" -- to explain those mysteriously high quality videos of a "1969" performance that it seems no one attended!!

aralsea [August 12, 2014 - 7:19 pm]: I think a proper Hendrix Fakeness show would be cool. Dustban 18?

psyopticon [August 12, 2014 - 7:36 pm]: I think I'll give it a miss if the quality of "research" is anything like we've seen here tonight!

khammad [August 12, 2014 - 9:33 pm]: :(

PeterShea [August 12, 2014 - 9:34 pm]: very david kellyesque with the pocket knife.

PeterShea [August 12, 2014 - 9:35 pm]: and the asphyxiation reminds of Michael hutchencesondon.

PeterShea [August 12, 2014 - 9:38 pm]:

PeterShea [August 12, 2014 - 9:40 pm]: family guy also produced episodes relating to sandy hook and the boston bombins.

PeterShea [August 12, 2014 - 10:17 pm]: robin williams "World's Best Dad"?

His son kills himself by autoerotic asphyxiation, then Williams covers up the embarrasing death by making it look like his son had hung himself...

PeterShea [August 12, 2014 - 10:24 pm]: 223rd day of the year sees William's death. 23 is the no. of the hanging man card.

PeterShea [August 12, 2014 - 10:26 pm]: it is live rollo.

psyopticon [August 12, 2014 - 11:19 pm]: Continuing the theme that Williams' "suicide" was to promote Psychiatry / Big Pharma ("don't be late in seeking help!") - the Washington Post publishes nonsense graphs of "suicide rates" in the USA. According to the Post, no less than 28% of white American men kill themselves! Bring on da shrinks! -- --

psyopticon [August 12, 2014 - 11:28 pm]: The British rags refer to the "uncanny coincidence" of the BBC's re-screening an old episode of "Family Guy". Family Guy is a cartoon series. In that episode, Robin Williams was apparently mocked, through animation, in a failed suicide attempt. Psychic driving, probably.

psyopticon [August 12, 2014 - 11:31 pm]: What's just as interesting are the media's links to youtube excerpts of that Family Guy cartoon episode. They're all "screeners" -- supposedly recorded off the screen, wobbles and all. Just like the Snowden Xmas Message crapola. Here's betting the Youtube publication dates, and the sizeable viewing figures for those screener videos, are faked-up too. Here's a couple of examples:

psyopticon [August 12, 2014 - 11:33 pm]: --- ---- (is that really the best footage the media can find of this errant cartoon??)

khammad [August 13, 2014 - 2:39 am]: Family Guy has 231 episodes. If shows were chosen at random, then choosing any episode would have a probability of 1/231 or 0.43%. Even if several shows were taken off the table, say 131 episodes, then the probability would still be just 1%. Pretty low for an accidental coincidence.

khammad [August 13, 2014 - 2:42 am]: The Robin Williams episode of Family Guy was Season 10, Episode 22. The actual show number in the series is 187th. The title of the episode is "Family Guy Viewer Mail #2". Any magic numbers here?

I.D. Kanspier [August 13, 2014 - 9:56 am]: here is an interesting development.

Hoi Polloi [August 13, 2014 - 10:43 am]: I tried leaving this comment in the comment section but no log in worked, and the preview button failed. It would just clear my writing upon hitting either button.

Hoi Polloi [August 13, 2014 - 10:44 am]: So maybe JF will see it here:

Hoi Polloi [August 13, 2014 - 10:44 am]: John Friend,

I do not understand the full situation here, but as it looks to me, it is a very good idea that you have distanced yourself from this AFP character — even if by accident. It is shown to us by events over and over that truth, honesty and the use of words as meaningful communication hold importance.

Hoi Polloi [August 13, 2014 - 10:45 am]: Something called "Free Press" may be sarcastically interpreted to mean 'gratis for a reason' rather than 'libertarian' or 'promoting personal freedom', unless it apparently promotes the freedom of certain members.

Hoi Polloi [August 13, 2014 - 10:45 am]: You may have quite genuinely struck a personal nerve with them, and if that's the case, a brief and polite apology could go out to them. But any so-called "Free Press" shoo-shooing and tut-tutting serious critique of the media is obviously a misuse of our values; in short, they are deceivers. They are liars until renaming themselves "Almost Free, Anti-Jew Press" or something generic, such as

Hoi Polloi [August 13, 2014 - 10:47 am]: "Joe Q. Propagandized Company" Claiming to stand for American Freedom while practically endorsing some of the clearest examples of neo-fascist Zionist hoaxes terrorizing the American public — such as the "Sandy Hook" and "Boston Bombing" defense-department created psychological projects — is an embarrassing position.

Hoi Polloi [August 13, 2014 - 10:48 am]: While I haven't held conversation with anyone but John Friend in this [White Power?] circle, and I don't like hate movements (I feel it is wrong to assume that "White Power" is a hate movement broadly. It is probably as multi-faceted and complex as any movement that has ever existed, with people trying to pull it in all sorts of directions, including war.

Hoi Polloi [August 13, 2014 - 10:48 am]: Being a pacifist in many cases, that is one of the most highly disturbing prospects to me, though I recognize that self-defense wars are a part of our life including marching against an enemy.) ... I presently feel that it is probably a good idea for anybody and everybody to have access to truth.

Hoi Polloi [August 13, 2014 - 10:49 am]: John Friend, you seem to represent the quest for real truth in this crazy world, AFP not so much. And for that reason, I must consider you an ally in no other particular causes than science, reason, justice, spirit, honesty and truth. Good luck in such a cause. It can be quite lonely indeed. But if it is the right thing to do, we can each of guess why it is so difficult in this world.

Hoi Polloi [August 13, 2014 - 10:49 am]: Or why we might make enemies

Cheers, and here's to your freedom from "the press".

Hoi Polloi

psyopticon [August 13, 2014 - 10:49 am]: @khammad: We chatted earlier about the fake terror sheikhs / public hate-figures - Abu "hook-hand" Hamza, Anjem Choudary, Omar Bakri Md, and their all-important "covenant of peace" with Britain's Spooks-R-Us. See: Get this, the clowns are now handing out recruitment leaflets for ISIS on London's busiest (and most surveilled) shopping street! See

Hoi Polloi [August 13, 2014 - 10:51 am]: Also, nice work lately PsyOpticon, I am on board with your speculations and research lately. Hendrix is truly one of the most bizarre hoaxes.

Hoi Polloi [August 13, 2014 - 10:54 am]: I'd appreciate it if you wanted to put it together for a case on the cluesforum, so it's archived there

psyopticon [August 13, 2014 - 10:55 am]: @Hoi Polloi: Hi! Thanks for the kind words, and thanks for the invite to archive the Hendrix Hoax on Clues :-)

ab [August 13, 2014 - 11:22 am]: @Hoi Polloi: where did the comment section not work? I don't remember any John Friend topic regarding his AFP event.

ab [August 13, 2014 - 11:44 am]: @Jan@psyopticon: any notes on yesterday's chat please put in comments....files are uploaded good stuff guys

Hoi Polloi [August 13, 2014 - 12:59 pm]: ab, don't worry, it wasn't your comment section, it's the link just passed to chat by I. D. Kanspier:

ab [August 13, 2014 - 12:59 pm]: @Hoi Polloi: ok thanks

khammad [August 13, 2014 - 2:05 pm]: .

khammad [August 13, 2014 - 2:08 pm]: @psyopticon: it's weird to have insight, to know so clearly it's false. At first I thought these few Arabs I knew in the media had secret lives, but now I know there is serious recruitment for these psyoperations.

khammad [August 13, 2014 - 2:12 pm]: @I.D. Kanspier: WOW. For me this is huge. John seems to be moving closer and closer to fakeology, even when it's not of his own will. I really like the guy and I really want him to see the fakery

Banazir Galbasi [August 13, 2014 - 3:23 pm]: Anoter day, another plane crash:

Banazir Galbasi [August 13, 2014 - 3:39 pm]: And anoter thing: Hey I wonder if my cell phone or cell phone company is keeping track of every single detail I process through my phone? It IS all being monitored? OK good to know.

khammad [August 13, 2014 - 4:12 pm]: @Banazir Galbasi: 'Asking Siri where to hide a dead body' was a meme type deal when Siri first came out. During a couple of down times I'm class, several of my students tried it out. Siri never responded with anything helpful, just a few words for an answer like "very funny" or "are you sure?" Or "I will have to think about that one". It answered like a Magic 8 Ball. I call shenanigans on

khammad [August 13, 2014 - 4:14 pm]: I'm class=In my class. Fukn Siri

psyopticon [August 13, 2014 - 5:19 pm]: Jack Vale (youthful youtube prankster) has at last matured from making fart sounds in Walmart to pulling off these "Ask Siri" gags:

ab [August 13, 2014 - 6:06 pm]: @Hoi Polloi: Brilliant Mitre research. Anytime you want to discuss it, let me know. How about this Saturday at 7:11pm EDT?

Hoi Polloi [August 13, 2014 - 6:52 pm]: Ab, do you distinguish anymore between your hosted shows and the casual chats that last for hours?

Hoi Polloi [August 13, 2014 - 7:11 pm]: I might be thrown into the dustban tomorrow

ab [August 13, 2014 - 8:14 pm]: @Hoi Polloi: sure I do...they are labeled differently as well. Our interview will be on the hosted show with the best sound.

I.D. Kanspier [August 13, 2014 - 9:11 pm]: @Hoi Polloi: wondering if u mind elaborating on kaysing if u choose to interview, in regards to his philosopies and interests and how one can stay healthy and content while realizing profoundly provocative information. And do you have any interest in Fuller? appreciate your work that was posted today.

Tom-Dalpra [August 13, 2014 - 9:26 pm]: English mobile phone number??B)

Tom-Dalpra [August 13, 2014 - 9:27 pm]: sorry here:

Tom-Dalpra [August 13, 2014 - 9:31 pm]: The 'reflected' reversed section of the number drew my eye. Almost as if forming a word over the driver's head. Just jamming, you know could be a subliminal, i dunno

Tom-Dalpra [August 13, 2014 - 9:35 pm]: probably not, but I thought the number was quirky anyway.

Tom-Dalpra [August 13, 2014 - 9:51 pm]: You can 233 SEE whatever you want to see...

ab [August 13, 2014 - 10:01 pm]: @Tom-Dalpra: come setup teamspeak can come speak! everyone's here!

Tom-Dalpra [August 13, 2014 - 10:03 pm]: cool i'll try

Tom-Dalpra [August 13, 2014 - 10:14 pm]: yeh videre

Tom-Dalpra [August 13, 2014 - 10:15 pm]: i can hear you you cxan't hear me

Tom-Dalpra [August 13, 2014 - 10:17 pm]: every time i click it affects it!

Tom-Dalpra [August 13, 2014 - 10:17 pm]: i can hear you

Videre Licet [August 13, 2014 - 10:26 pm]: @Tom-Dalpra: would you like some help connecting?

Videre Licet [August 13, 2014 - 10:26 pm]: @Tom-Dalpra: find me on Skype... sent you a msg

Tom-Dalpra [August 13, 2014 - 10:34 pm]: thanks vid, sorry guys. I'm so stoopid. I get lost looking for streets. I fall in ponds, I drop money

Tom-Dalpra [August 13, 2014 - 10:42 pm]: i must sleep it's half three am gotta be up at 8 to handle tons of shellac. A beetle secretion no less in moving further 78's

Videre Licet [August 13, 2014 - 10:52 pm]: @Tom-Dalpra: lol

Tom-Dalpra [August 13, 2014 - 10:54 pm]: I'll sort it eventually. I PROMISE I'm not avoiding it on purpose! Very frustrating. Also been so busy. I need to sort my settings. Thanks again and I will sort it eventually. But must get head down now having just rolled in from performing. Shattered

Banazir Galbasi [August 13, 2014 - 11:13 pm]: Hey Tom. Have you checked out TeamSpeak yet? Its pretty cool!

Hoi Polloi [August 13, 2014 - 11:44 pm]: I.D.Kanspier, which Fuller do you mean? Kaysing, I don't know any more about since the last time we brought him up, but yeah, I will see what the hosts say about it.

I.D. Kanspier [August 14, 2014 - 10:57 am]: old bucky @Hoi Polloi:

Hoi Polloi [August 14, 2014 - 1:23 pm]: Bucky Fuller is interesting. I don't know everything there is to know about him but he had some practical ideas. Not very fashionable long-term, though.

Hoi Polloi [August 14, 2014 - 1:24 pm]: Except for a certain crowd. Geodesic domes and all.

Tom-Dalpra [August 14, 2014 - 4:31 pm]: My favourite quote of the day. From Iraq regarding 'desperate' Yazidi 'fleeing' IS - yes the name changed :). ''One said children were so thirsty their parents were feeding them their own blood!''

ab [August 14, 2014 - 6:06 pm]: @Tom-Dalpra: Ghoulish

Tom-Dalpra [August 14, 2014 - 6:19 pm]: Ha ha what the fuck!

Tom-Dalpra [August 14, 2014 - 6:20 pm]: What's going on?

Tom-Dalpra [August 14, 2014 - 6:20 pm]: You called me on a number I haven't given anyone

Tom-Dalpra [August 14, 2014 - 6:23 pm]: I don't even know it haha

psyopticon [August 14, 2014 - 7:22 pm]: FSD

psyopticon [August 14, 2014 - 7:22 pm]: Full....Spectrum......Dominance 8o

ab [August 14, 2014 - 7:23 pm]: @Tom-Dalpra: sorry I had that number from the past shows I guess. didn't mean to freak you out!

ab [August 14, 2014 - 7:24 pm]: the other number didn't work

ab [August 14, 2014 - 7:25 pm]:

psyopticon [August 14, 2014 - 7:42 pm]: Are the elections fair in the USA? What if the sims on the electoral register outnumber the real people (and the sims have a 100% turnout!)

psyopticon [August 14, 2014 - 7:47 pm]: Was the Diebold voting machine scandal (that supposedly won BushCo the election) a bluff to conceal even worse electoral fraud?

psyopticon [August 14, 2014 - 7:49 pm]: This was a recent election in this area: -- "A judge investigating vote-rigging in Birmingham's local elections has ruled there was widespread fraud and has ordered new elections."

psyopticon [August 14, 2014 - 7:51 pm]: In Holland people managed to hack the voting machines through Bluetooth! They remotely deleted the voting the software and replaced it with a chess game!

psyopticon [August 14, 2014 - 7:54 pm]:

psyopticon [August 14, 2014 - 8:16 pm]: PsyOp after PsyOp to induce collective neuroses; weakening societal units (pitting races, creeds, colours and genders against each other); Keeping us in a perpetual state of fear of each other. In response to that induced trauma, we seek protection from "authority", which makes us very vulnerable to control by the media. That's the Tavistock Method of social control.. through Group Dynamics..

khammad [August 14, 2014 - 8:25 pm]:

khammad [August 14, 2014 - 8:25 pm]: Lenon Honor

khammad [August 14, 2014 - 8:36 pm]:

psyopticon [August 14, 2014 - 8:48 pm]: Wayhay! Good stuff K!

khammad [August 14, 2014 - 8:49 pm]: @psyopticon: Aw, thanks!

khammad [August 14, 2014 - 8:49 pm]: You are a gentleman

psyopticon [August 14, 2014 - 8:50 pm]: Aww! The show came off really well; loads of info to get people diggin'!

psyopticon [August 14, 2014 - 8:51 pm]: Great little cameo appearance too, from K's K-9!

khammad [August 14, 2014 - 8:52 pm]: Hahaha, that's a ring tone

psyopticon [August 14, 2014 - 8:53 pm]: Ooh heck, a digital menage, what with the bird tweeties rom the chat software!

khammad [August 14, 2014 - 8:55 pm]: did it sound real?

psyopticon [August 14, 2014 - 8:56 pm]: yeah! like the wolf from hound of the baskervilles!

psyopticon [August 14, 2014 - 8:58 pm]: Going to spoil us by becoming a regular feature then?! The K Show? Move aside Alex Jonesey, you're talkshow days are numbered!

khammad [August 14, 2014 - 8:59 pm]: Hahaha, Alexis Jonesy

psyopticon [August 14, 2014 - 9:00 pm]: Bet the old stooges running the dog-and-pony shows of Jonesey, and Fetzer, and Co, were tuning in discreetly!

khammad [August 14, 2014 - 9:01 pm]: Well, since we know sites have changed in direct relation to Simon and Hoi, why not?

khammad [August 14, 2014 - 9:01 pm]: I have a fear

khammad [August 14, 2014 - 9:01 pm]: That because of us

khammad [August 14, 2014 - 9:01 pm]: The hoaxers will fine tune their deception

khammad [August 14, 2014 - 9:01 pm]: to a degree that we can longer detect hoaxes

psyopticon [August 14, 2014 - 9:03 pm]: Yeah, they probably are already. We're like a mini study group for PsyOp technicians; similar to the Focus Groups that politicians use to check first that the wider world is gormless enough to believe them!

khammad [August 14, 2014 - 9:28 pm]: Seems like there is a way to use this to our benefit

khammad [August 14, 2014 - 9:32 pm]: I don't even know what it could be, but if they are watching and listening, throwing a red herring, or faking our futures goals as in a 'Bildeberg-type' meeting/

Hoi Polloi [August 14, 2014 - 11:29 pm]: khammad, I share the sentiment. We better not fear it and just accept that it's true. We are being used.

Dustyash [August 14, 2014 - 11:42 pm]: Dustban will be starting shortly

khammad [August 15, 2014 - 12:35 am]: @Hoi Polloi: New paradigm for me

Hoi Polloi [August 15, 2014 - 1:44 am]: Oh I misread that part you wrote about how we might be using their focus on us to throw them off, like jujitsu style. Good idea. Perhaps some of us have already been doing it. Perhaps not. Let them be confused about that.

Hoi Polloi [August 15, 2014 - 1:48 am]: haha, oh yeah, and I don't mean to impose a decision. If you are still feeling it's a new paradigm, sorry about that realization. It's not a happy thought, exactly. But I appreciate how you spun it in a positive way, like "hey, we can USE this." So great.

ab [August 15, 2014 - 5:17 am]: @Hoi Polloi: are you available this Saturday evening for an audio? You're in high demand here it seems.

Hoi Polloi [August 15, 2014 - 10:20 am]: Yes, it could be possible

Hoi Polloi [August 15, 2014 - 10:22 am]: Talk MITRE things?

Hoi Polloi [August 15, 2014 - 10:23 am]: Dustban covered it a little. Which actually serves as a good preview for it I think.

Hoi Polloi [August 15, 2014 - 10:24 am]: I need to think of something cheerful to talk about too.

Hoi Polloi [August 15, 2014 - 10:24 am]: It's pretty heavy.

Carole Thomas [August 15, 2014 - 11:58 am]: great expose of pharma drugs in psychiatry and how they are most probably worse than useless h/t Flabbergasted via Cluesforum

ab [August 15, 2014 - 12:54 pm]: @Hoi Polloi: yes Mitre and your more recent posts.

Hoi Polloi [August 15, 2014 - 1:53 pm]: Let's talk about something cheerful as well. Any good news we can add?

Hoi Polloi [August 15, 2014 - 3:02 pm]: Ab, I have an idea. We have been joking about doing "radio" and "game shows" and so forth, let's run a CluesQuiz and have some kind of quiz show where people can call in or join in and uh ... win ... something. Maybe like a Fakeologist bumper sticker? haha, or some other non-prize that is more about diffusing the research than consumerism.

Hoi Polloi [August 15, 2014 - 3:03 pm]: (to make it easier, I can write multiple choice questions)

Hoi Polloi [August 15, 2014 - 3:03 pm]: this episode can be about the Mitre and Vicsim research

Hoi Polloi [August 15, 2014 - 3:04 pm]: ?

Banazir Galbasi [August 15, 2014 - 3:25 pm]: Sounds like fun. Q: Can I play? A: Maybe? (Perhaps the questions should be harder than that. Also you can't answer a question with a question. So many rules. Maybe I'm not cut out for this. Hey, who am I talkin' to?)

Hoi Polloi [August 15, 2014 - 5:52 pm]: I am not sure how you do a 'call in' show but TeamSpeak seems to be ideal for it if the quality can be high enough

Hoi Polloi [August 15, 2014 - 5:52 pm]: Banazir, you should definitely play if Ab approves

khammad [August 15, 2014 - 6:24 pm]: @Psyopticon:

khammad [August 15, 2014 - 6:25 pm]: You can see the Newtown boardroom from several different angles here. Perhaps the meeting did take place as stated, maybe not, but most definately, the original video from the meeting was cut and altered by people at the district.

khammad [August 15, 2014 - 6:27 pm]: @Psyopticon: The ever-beautiful visage of Dan Bidondi

ab [August 15, 2014 - 8:47 pm]: @Hoi Polloi: sure I'm game.:D

Banazir Galbasi [August 15, 2014 - 10:36 pm]: I'm a little gamey too. :P

Henkus [August 15, 2014 - 11:34 pm]: would like some response on my newest topic. I'm sure you guys can find it.

Henkus [August 15, 2014 - 11:34 pm]: Oh and in my analysis i did not listen to the newest dutban.

Henkus [August 15, 2014 - 11:35 pm]: anyway 5:30 now im off.. zz

Hoi Polloi [August 16, 2014 - 1:04 am]: Okay, I have 11 mystical questions. ;)

Hoi Polloi [August 16, 2014 - 1:05 am]: We can have three winners: a first, a ninth and a 33rd place

Hoi Polloi [August 16, 2014 - 1:07 am]: there will be points tallied, and winners can choose in the order they won from three different mystery prizes :D

Banazir Galbasi [August 16, 2014 - 2:33 am]: Dan, Bidondi and dutban oh my!

delcroix [August 16, 2014 - 2:34 am]: the term "human" is another b s box that "they" put us in ... the question is Delcroix a living , flesh and blood soul , living in the realms of fakery and pretentioness ? :D please help me pass my clues forum entry test lol

Hoi Polloi [August 16, 2014 - 2:41 am]: What is pretentioness?

Hoi Polloi [August 16, 2014 - 2:46 am]: There is no entry test, you just join and don't blow it. If you have good research and treat the audience with respect enough to actually spell and use grammar and produce good contributions, you'll be alright. It's not Facebook or a chat box. It's a forum for helping people realize what deception tech is being used against them.

Hoi Polloi [August 16, 2014 - 2:47 am]: You might get interrogated at the entrance (the INTRODUCE YOURSELF thread) if you post something interesting or weird.

delcroix [August 16, 2014 - 12:11 pm]: Sorry Hoi , I was just having a laugh , it's not every day someone asks me if I'm human , great show with the Dustban B)

Hoi Polloi [August 16, 2014 - 12:52 pm]: It just occurred to me this morning that people will probably not be comfortable giving their address to Ab when it comes to getting a joke prize. I don't think I would be happy with it if I were on a show. So for those folks, I have come up with an alternative, digital-only prize. (By the way, they are all joke prizes anyway, so nothing lost.)

Banazir Galbasi [August 16, 2014 - 2:45 pm]: Check out the headline: Story does not focus on the death but rather the fine they had to pay. It's not personal, it's just business.

khammad [August 16, 2014 - 6:11 pm]: @Hoi Polloi: *mind blown* :O

Hoi Polloi [August 16, 2014 - 7:07 pm]: khammad, will you be a fake "contestant" on the show today?

khammad [August 16, 2014 - 7:17 pm]: @Hoi Polloi: I am hoping to make it

Hoi Polloi [August 16, 2014 - 7:22 pm]: cool we're on now! :)

delcroix [August 16, 2014 - 7:33 pm]: Who Want's to be a Fakeonaire? :)

khammad [August 16, 2014 - 7:35 pm]: Where is it broadcasting from?

delcroix [August 16, 2014 - 7:35 pm]:

Dustyash [August 16, 2014 - 7:43 pm]: Hey everybody

psyopticon [August 16, 2014 - 7:53 pm]: @khammad: Just looking at that InfoWars.Com (alleged) footage from a Board of Education meeting @ Sandy Hook ( ) -- what is that weird video anomaly?? What could cause the strange "zig-zagging" of the microphone stalks and the chair legs?? Perhaps CGI or AR? See a GIF excerpt from 1m34s:

Dustyash [August 16, 2014 - 7:53 pm]: Yey a point for Dustban I am rooting for you Ban K

Dustyash [August 16, 2014 - 7:54 pm]: Banazir and K

delcroix [August 16, 2014 - 7:59 pm]: :) hi dusty great show man

Dustyash [August 16, 2014 - 8:00 pm]: hello yes it sounds fun keeps it entertaining

psyopticon [August 16, 2014 - 8:05 pm]: Offut Air Force Base?

Banazir Galbasi [August 16, 2014 - 8:13 pm]: Lets be Special K. Cause im special...:?

ab [August 16, 2014 - 8:16 pm]: refresh if you need ... clear your caches

psyopticon [August 16, 2014 - 8:21 pm]: 8 + 8 == two fat ladies

psyopticon [August 16, 2014 - 8:26 pm]: Is the "Somali Piracy" in the Gulf of Aden a hoax to push up the oil price (greater risk; higher price?), (as well as ramp the Baltic Dry Index - the basic cost of sea-shipping), and marine insurance premiums??)

psyopticon [August 16, 2014 - 8:35 pm]: The same rules -- about duplicate passenger manifests - one copy taken aboard the aircraft, a second copy left on the ground -- has applied to passenger shipping for over a century. So where is the passenger manifest for the RMS Titanic?! There was officially only ever one copy, and that sank with the ship! Fancy that!

Banazir Galbasi [August 16, 2014 - 8:40 pm]: the question of the premise is false.

ab [August 16, 2014 - 8:49 pm]:

Dustyash [August 16, 2014 - 8:52 pm]: Way to go Banazir and Khammad the half of the Dustban wins thanks

Dustyash [August 16, 2014 - 9:02 pm]: Awesome guys I love it

Dustyash [August 16, 2014 - 9:02 pm]: good show a great show always

Dustyash [August 16, 2014 - 9:04 pm]: We have a true passion for sure among each other as well it is really developing nicely

psyopticon [August 16, 2014 - 9:06 pm]: fun show, guys and guyettes!

Dustyash [August 16, 2014 - 9:06 pm]: good times

ab [August 16, 2014 - 9:14 pm]: after show at audiochat! get thee over there now! let's get some feedback

khammad [August 16, 2014 - 10:14 pm]:

khammad [August 16, 2014 - 10:16 pm]:

khammad [August 16, 2014 - 10:21 pm]: Live in the Stream in Teamspeak or dial in here:

khammad [August 16, 2014 - 10:36 pm]:

khammad [August 16, 2014 - 10:38 pm]:

khammad [August 16, 2014 - 10:41 pm]:

khammad [August 16, 2014 - 11:07 pm]:

khammad [August 16, 2014 - 11:09 pm]:

khammad [August 17, 2014 - 12:47 am]:

khammad [August 17, 2014 - 1:06 am]:

khammad [August 17, 2014 - 1:17 am]:

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 1:42 am]: ("Jimi Hendrix" signatures) and ("Leon Hendrix" signatures)

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 1:58 am]: A couple more "Leon Hendrix" signatures... note that unusual downward slant on the stroke of the 'X' in Hendrix; a graphological quirk that "younger brother Leon" appears to share with legendary sibling "Jimi Hendrix"....

khammad [August 17, 2014 - 2:20 am]:

khammad [August 17, 2014 - 2:21 am]: "shea": he is busted tim! and i wasn't looking, i just came across it.

on audiochat aug 12-13 with the great chat with yan erik and unreal

khammad [August 17, 2014 - 2:21 am]: at the 2.28.42 mark, evil edna tunes in to say hello but he clearly forgets to activate his voice distorter for a few telling seconds. case closed imo.

khammad [August 17, 2014 - 2:22 am]: "psyopticon":

Banazir Galbasi [August 17, 2014 - 3:58 pm]: Any new audiochats lately? ;)

ab [August 17, 2014 - 4:28 pm]: @Banazir Galbasi: you got 7 hours?

Dustyash [August 17, 2014 - 5:40 pm]: @psyopticon: You are an effing joke I hope we never hear from you again you are very unhealthy there I said it!! do not ever speak out of turn again when it comes to Banazir and Ab and Pshea you make me sick GET LOST!

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 5:51 pm]: @Dustyash: Re-listening to last night's "after party". Never thought I'd hear any "fakeologist" defending the 911 Media Hoax as being "good" -- a grand deception rolled out for the betterment of mankind -- and yet that's exactly what your crowd were claiming! Can there be a clearer hallmark of a 911 Shill than that? This place is heaving, ab.. Heaving....

Banazir Galbasi [August 17, 2014 - 5:56 pm]: :-)

Dustyash [August 17, 2014 - 5:57 pm]: You are not welcome while on my watch you have wore out your welcome and completely have disrupted the forum here you need to go away you are not trustworthy your credibility has been shanked shucked and a complete waste of bunk

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 5:58 pm]: Hands up everyone who thinks the 911 Deception was jolly good fun! Are you with us or against, @Dustyash?! @PShea said last night that he just loved the 911 Hoax! Great for mankind, he reckons; establishing a benevolent, honest and open NWO (*snigger!*) KHammad isnon-plussed either way: "yes and no". Fence-sitter. And Banazir could barely muster a response! What a shower!

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 5:59 pm]: POLL QUESTION: Do you think the 911 Hoax improved our lives? Answered candidly, it's a pretty good litmus test for smoking out the shills from among the genuine truth-seekers, no?

Dustyash [August 17, 2014 - 6:01 pm]: Eff off you do not know Banazir like I do and nobody thinks 911 was a good thing they mean it in a different context but I do not need to discuss this with you

Hoi Polloi [August 17, 2014 - 6:01 pm]: I don't think psyopticon has bad reason to use a voice modulator, if he is using one. And I don't think he is an unhealthy force.

Hoi Polloi [August 17, 2014 - 6:02 pm]: I also don't think it's wrong to be offended when I hear "9/11 was good for humanity" or some necessary prescription like a child being told to take their medicine when being beaten.

Hoi Polloi [August 17, 2014 - 6:03 pm]: Let's stop the in-fighting for a while. We are all on the same side.

Dustyash [August 17, 2014 - 6:03 pm]: last nights after party was not healthy we are all trying to keep this real without analzing the shit out of it

Dustyash [August 17, 2014 - 6:03 pm]: it is too bad

Hoi Polloi [August 17, 2014 - 6:03 pm]: What happened?

Hoi Polloi [August 17, 2014 - 6:04 pm]: What went wrong?

Hoi Polloi [August 17, 2014 - 6:04 pm]: Are you talking about the audiochat on TeamSpeak?

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 6:05 pm]: No @Dustyash. Last night your crowd were claiming that 911 had ushered in a new era of honesty. Seriously?! In truth, it's an on-going fraud that continues to be very lucrative for those squatting in dark corners of the internet. And, no, I have never used "voice morphing" software or anything similar. Why would I want to?! It was only @PShea after hitting his bong claiming that.

Dustyash [August 17, 2014 - 6:05 pm]: @Hoi Polloi: need to listen to the after show there hoi then you will see it takes me a lot to get upset but this put me over the edge

Hoi Polloi [August 17, 2014 - 6:06 pm]: Okay, so it sounds like we have reasons to be optimistic and reasons to be pessimistic. We all go through moods about it. Let's not get offended. You're right, I don't know what happened, where can I listen to the afterparty?

Hoi Polloi [August 17, 2014 - 6:08 pm]: psyopticon, if you do use one, it would be to protect your identity I assume but you say it's not that. Can you explain the change in your voice at that moment?

Dustyash [August 17, 2014 - 6:09 pm]: Banazir put it in my drop box in fact it was so bad that Ab banned psyopticon from teamspeak so your thoughts

Hoi Polloi [August 17, 2014 - 6:10 pm]: I thought I heard an older person with a quavering voice at that moment. Are you saying that was not you?

Hoi Polloi [August 17, 2014 - 6:10 pm]: Listen again psyopticon and try to understand where people are coming from on it, please.

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 6:13 pm]: @Hoi Polloi: When fakeologist was promoted on cluesforum, I remember and respected your caution at the time. The shills and creepy-crawlies who Ab invited for interview were setting off alarm bells everywhere. There's no point giving a platform to someone who wilfully undermines September Clues, for example. And yet that's what some of Ab's interviewees have done.

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 6:14 pm]: It seems I'm now where you were nine(?) months ago - doubting the sincerity of a large number of people who populate this forum. How did that happen?! What persuaded you that had been effectively fumigated of shills and charlatans, and now a fit and proper place for discussing the 911 Hoax and other media frauds?

Dustyash [August 17, 2014 - 6:14 pm]: @Hoi Polloi: Audiochat Aug16-17/2014 – ep 122 Afterparty listen to the 6:47 in to conversation

Dustyash [August 17, 2014 - 6:16 pm]: @psyopticon: you said Banazir was full of it! psyopticon you are a real goof eff off loser

Dustyash [August 17, 2014 - 6:17 pm]: ignorant ass

Dustyash [August 17, 2014 - 6:17 pm]: eff off I can say it enough

Dustyash [August 17, 2014 - 6:17 pm]: or can't say it enough

Dustyash [August 17, 2014 - 6:18 pm]: I have said enough you get my point see ya

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 6:19 pm]: Well, all I can I say is I have no voice morphing software, nor anything similar. My voice is just that, mine. Warts and all. Sans any modification. So sometimes croaky, sometimes quavery, sometimes soft, sometimes not. I concede it's not a particularly good "radio" voice, but please be reassured it's a sincere one. I suspect that's likely not the case for many of fakeologist "celebrities

Dustyash [August 17, 2014 - 6:22 pm]: whatever your reproach and your response to the question was not desirable and did not help you

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 6:22 pm]: So these spurious allegations of shillery - based on supposed changes in my voice (over 7 hours) - are just a cynical distraction. Probably spun out by those with a pressing need to deflect from their own underhand activities.They call that "projection" in psychology. Let's remeber that @PShea was accusing both Simon Shack and Hoi Polloi of being frauds! Check out Hoi's interview with Banazi

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 6:26 pm]: What was it @PShea said? Take the first three letters of Hoi's first and last names "Maxeem Konrardy" = Max Kon.. and there's your proof, says PShea. So are you with us or against us Dustyash? Are you joining your buddy PShea in calling HoiPolloi and SimonShack a couple of fraudsters?

PeterShea [August 17, 2014 - 6:30 pm]: my thoughts on the larger picture regarding 9/11 are my own. your deceptive tactics are clear as day to me psyoptician and you have been well and truly outed.

R.I.P. Evil.

khammad [August 17, 2014 - 6:31 pm]: @psyopticon: your tactic of trying to pit us against each other, as in divide and conquer will not work.

khammad [August 17, 2014 - 6:32 pm]: Most fakeologists goals is simply trying to find reality.

PeterShea [August 17, 2014 - 6:36 pm]: I gave you enough rope edna, and you hung yourself. you lost this one. get over it. move on to lower and worse things (if that be your will) or you could always change your ways. they (your employers) are not worth it. your fellow man is. I wish you well.

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 6:37 pm]: -- that should be added as another Tactic of Disinformationalists. Accuse your adversary of the very misdeeds that you yourself are committing. It's quite an effective distraction, a thought-stopper, for temporarily wrong-footing those getting close to the truth. Cap fits okay, @PeterShea?!

khammad [August 17, 2014 - 6:43 pm]: @psyopticon:

PeterShea [August 17, 2014 - 6:43 pm]: if you take the 1st letters of both simon's and hoi's names you get max kon and sim hyt, a neat way of summing up 9/11. i just pointed it out without any judgement. am i allowed to do this? :P give up the ghost mate.

Dustyash [August 17, 2014 - 6:45 pm]: @psyopticon: A perfect song for you psyopticon have a listen bozo remember no bozos

Dustyash [August 17, 2014 - 6:47 pm]: @PeterShea: you would like this song to it really says a lot about psyopticon

khammad [August 17, 2014 - 6:47 pm]: @PeterShea: You thought Videre and I might be the same person. I love how you question. Keep questioning, don't ever stop. It's how we find the truth.

PeterShea [August 17, 2014 - 6:50 pm]: i can and will question whatever i's one for you edna..

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 6:51 pm]: @PeterShea is also adamant that Simon Shack and Jan Erik Hansen are one and the same! Not far removed from the mindless quackery of Ed Chiarini. Another witting footsoldier in the dallasgoldbuggery army of shills.

Dustyash [August 17, 2014 - 6:53 pm]: @psyopticon: go on and on that is all you do justifiying others trying fix other people when you should look at yourself

Dustyash [August 17, 2014 - 6:54 pm]: @psyopticon: your ramble bores me

Dustyash [August 17, 2014 - 6:55 pm]: @psyopticon: I knew this the first day you argued with Pshea it went on and on for hours it is like you could not get enough bashing Pshea

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 6:56 pm]: @Dustyash: @PeterShea: This is the depth of your intellectual discourse? The posting of infantile youtube videos? Come on guys, quit the ad hominems. Let's talk about media fakery. After all, that's what this forum is supposedly about. Yet, strangely, I've never seen any coherent comment from either of you..

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 6:56 pm]: So come on, let's get going. What thoughts on the supposed plane crash of Brazilian presidential hopeful Eduardo Campos??

Dustyash [August 17, 2014 - 6:58 pm]: @psyopticon: I do not want to talk to you about it tho you do not get the hint you are fucked up buddy

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 7:01 pm]: @Dustyash: if you don't want to talk to me, then don't send me messages! Not a difficult concept to understand. Now back to reality.

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 7:01 pm]: What of the supposed plane crash that took the life of "Eduardo Campos" (a "father of five" - think Ogden's tables-- google it!) Campos was an "also-ran" in the forthcoming Brazilian election; commanding 3rd/4th place in polls. Another sim/actor?

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 7:23 pm]: Here, purportedly, is "Eduardo Campos" at the birth of his *fifth* child. Yet another "screener" (why?) It corroborates media reports of his supposed family background. Any thoughts from real fakeologists (few & far between these days!)? Note how the newborn is presented to "Campos". Doesn't that look very fake to you? Video layering? And the baby itself? A real one?!

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 7:28 pm]: Oops..

Dustyash [August 17, 2014 - 8:28 pm]: we are streaming right now with ab del and me

Dustyash [August 17, 2014 - 8:29 pm]: delcroix

or e bil [August 17, 2014 - 8:29 pm]: “If you really want to communicate something, even if it’s just an emotion or an attitude, let alone an idea, the least effective and least enjoyable way is directly. It only goes in about an inch. But if you can get people to the point where they have to think a moment what it is you’re getting at, and then discover it, the thrill of discovery goes right through the heart.â€

― Stanley Ku

or e bil [August 17, 2014 - 8:29 pm]: brick

ab [August 17, 2014 - 9:00 pm]: @or e bil: I like that

PeterShea [August 17, 2014 - 9:04 pm]: there are no droughts in Ireland videre. not cloud seeding.

PeterShea [August 17, 2014 - 9:06 pm]: i entertain the possibility that chemtrails are for the purposes of oxygenating the atmosphere. but the official conspiracy layers are quite horrifying. black is white.

ab [August 17, 2014 - 9:07 pm]: Why does this work?

PeterShea [August 17, 2014 - 9:10 pm]: your position on chemtrails is concerning tim. you need to research it and take a position. lucky you and your family (i think) for escaping direct exposure to this deliberate spraying (in all NATO countries).

Dustyash [August 17, 2014 - 9:13 pm]: blue hammer

khammad [August 17, 2014 - 9:14 pm]: blue screwdriver

Videre Licet [August 17, 2014 - 9:14 pm]: orange hammer

delcroix [August 17, 2014 - 9:14 pm]: no feckin hammer of any colour

PeterShea [August 17, 2014 - 9:14 pm]: blue and spade

delcroix [August 17, 2014 - 9:15 pm]: i

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 9:15 pm]: A cabal of chemtrail hoaxers - Videre, Shea, Delcroix.

delcroix [August 17, 2014 - 9:15 pm]: i was thinking of ab's nails

PeterShea [August 17, 2014 - 9:15 pm]: red hammer? wtf?

Dustyash [August 17, 2014 - 9:16 pm]:

PeterShea [August 17, 2014 - 9:16 pm]: i am one of the 2%, you commoners you.

PeterShea [August 17, 2014 - 9:17 pm]: i should have known edna disputes the reality of chemtrails.

PeterShea [August 17, 2014 - 9:17 pm]: have you the balls to get back on air edna?

PeterShea [August 17, 2014 - 9:18 pm]: :P videre.

Videre Licet [August 17, 2014 - 9:18 pm]: @PeterShea: he disputes cows coming home to the sound of music

PeterShea [August 17, 2014 - 9:19 pm]: :D

khammad [August 17, 2014 - 9:19 pm]: @delcroix: I am on board with the chem trails

PeterShea [August 17, 2014 - 9:19 pm]: evil cows

PeterShea [August 17, 2014 - 9:19 pm]: moooving on.......

khammad [August 17, 2014 - 9:19 pm]: @delcroix: If you ever want to talk about it, hit me up on skype

Dustyash [August 17, 2014 - 9:20 pm]: we cab

Dustyash [August 17, 2014 - 9:20 pm]: we can not rule anything out really

Videre Licet [August 17, 2014 - 9:21 pm]: @PeterShea: let's get back to "Mooooooousic"

Videre Licet [August 17, 2014 - 9:22 pm]: Dairy cows produce more milk when listening to relaxing music

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 9:23 pm]: This photo was taken a few days ago. What evidence that it's a "chemtrail" and not just a common-or-garden "con(densation) trail"?? Why bother with "cloud seeding" (using hugely expensive silver nitrate / silver iodide) when we can see that the sky is already full of clouds?! Every little helps in the chemtrail scam, eh?! ----

Videre Licet [August 17, 2014 - 9:25 pm]: @psyopticon: silver iodide

Videre Licet [August 17, 2014 - 9:26 pm]: @psyopticon: no clouds here in California

Videre Licet [August 17, 2014 - 9:27 pm]: @psyopticon: just the fake haze

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 9:28 pm]: Videre Licet promotes some (sham) US.GOV records from 1976 about "weather modification". Those phony docs claim that around 3,000 kg of pure silver was supposedly dispersed into the atmosphere via "chemtrails". Silver sells today for US$630 a kilogram. How many tonnes of silver are supposedly dispersed in 2014?

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 9:28 pm]: Neat little precious metal scam! Just claim you've sprayed it across the skies, and pocket it!

Videre Licet [August 17, 2014 - 9:31 pm]: @psyopticon: looks like this minus the puffy clouds [wpvideo o1ibHd1a]

Videre Licet [August 17, 2014 - 9:31 pm]: bad link... will post the right one

PeterShea [August 17, 2014 - 9:34 pm]: very few chemtrails here over the last while. maybe the program is winding down videre.... you won't take the sight from my eyes edna nor the sense from my brain. you read like an internet chemtrail forum troll, of which there are many. ufkc uyo! :error:

Videre Licet [August 17, 2014 - 9:35 pm]:

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 9:35 pm]: Chemtrails" could be a clever little swindle, Videre. A grand bullion robbery of the hapless US taxpayer. Gummint contractor places huge order for many tonnes of pure silver to turn into silver iodide / silver nitrate. Gummint contractor then claims to disperse that silver iodide across our skies in weather modification programme. And simply steals all the silver. Magic!

Videre Licet [August 17, 2014 - 9:36 pm]: @psyopticon: i have heard it is pretty inexpensive

Videre Licet [August 17, 2014 - 9:38 pm]: $400-$500 per kilo

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 9:39 pm]: Well, not so cheap according to the phony US.GOV document you were promoting earlier, Videre.

PeterShea [August 17, 2014 - 9:39 pm]: chemtrailing is a deliberate practice carried out on a grand scale in many nations. whether it is for ultimately malevolent or benevolent reasons will become perfectly clear in quick time, i am quite sure.

PeterShea [August 17, 2014 - 9:39 pm]: rise it del!!!!

Videre Licet [August 17, 2014 - 9:40 pm]: he most common chemicals used for cloud seeding include silver iodide, potassium iodide and dry ice (solid carbon dioxide). Liquid propane, which expands into a gas, has also been used. This can produce ice crystals at higher temperatures than silver iodide. The use of hygroscopic materials, such as table salt, is becoming more popular[citation needed] after promising research.[2]

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 9:40 pm]: Try to be honest in your claims, Videre. Here's Friday's Spot Price for Silver in US dollars per kilogram ($628 a kilo)

Videre Licet [August 17, 2014 - 9:42 pm]: @psyopticon: had an old price link.... Honesty?

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 9:42 pm]: Now multiply that price ($628 a kilo) by the number of metric tonnes of silver supposedly released annually into the atmosphere, in the US.GOV's (phony) "weather modification" programmes.

Videre Licet [August 17, 2014 - 9:42 pm]: @psyopticon: did the boss put you on shit-disturb patrol this week?

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 9:42 pm]: It's a big money, scam! Do you get it sweetheart?

Videre Licet [August 17, 2014 - 9:43 pm]: @psyopticon: well you would know --- you have connections to the inside

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 9:44 pm]: Now let's revisit that fraudulent US.GOV document on "weather modification" / "chemtrails" that you were determined to promote... There we can find some (phony) figures from the 1970s on the tonnage of silver supposedly spewed into the atmosphere every year, in the form of silver iodide...

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 9:45 pm]: What a lot of stolen silver, Videre! Where do reckon it goes, Videre? Who gets to keep it?!

PeterShea [August 17, 2014 - 9:46 pm]: tise it dusty!!!!

Videre Licet [August 17, 2014 - 9:46 pm]: @psyopticon: All topics that don't mess with my mind or time.. sorry

PeterShea [August 17, 2014 - 9:46 pm]: rise it even!

PeterShea [August 17, 2014 - 9:46 pm]: woohooo!!

ab [August 17, 2014 - 9:46 pm]: more proof we get all our culture from the movies!

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 9:47 pm]: IIRC, pushing the "chemtrail" fraud got PeterShea the well-deserved boot from cluesforum..

Videre Licet [August 17, 2014 - 9:47 pm]: @psyopticon: i used to think you were nice... now I think you are a shill with a mission

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 9:48 pm]: Well, I'm certainly on a mission, Videre. Unravelling the psyops, one at a time. Just as the strapline reads at the top of this forum! You, on the other hand, Videre, appearing to wrapping up the hoaxes (like "chemtrails") almost as fast as we can expose them!

Videre Licet [August 17, 2014 - 9:48 pm]: @psyopticon: (It is... after all.... obvious)

PeterShea [August 17, 2014 - 9:48 pm]: divide and conquer. carry on regardless eh enda? evil live!! he live, i tell thee!!

Videre Licet [August 17, 2014 - 9:49 pm]: @psyopticon: why are you wasting time in your research attacking people?

PeterShea [August 17, 2014 - 9:50 pm]: he is a tit videre.

Videre Licet [August 17, 2014 - 9:51 pm]: @psyopticon: you are making this about personalities. you are the only one... and you stand out as someone who is more interested in disrupting than research.

PeterShea [August 17, 2014 - 9:52 pm]: i'd like to hear you defend your behaviour last night edna. in a gentlemanly way this time, if you don't mind. i'll quit and just listen.

Videre Licet [August 17, 2014 - 9:52 pm]: @psyopticon: research before personalities. I hope you find peace.

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 9:53 pm]: Wasting time? Who me?! Outlined above is a possible "cui bono" for the "chemtrail" hoax - it may simply be a grand theft of silver bullion. All that silver that's supposed sprayed in chemtrails is simply stolen by the spraying contractors. Of secondary gain is that the hoax pre-occupies an army of paranoid goons (see above) who think the gummint is hell-bent on spraying them into submissi

Videre Licet [August 17, 2014 - 9:54 pm]: @psyopticon: if we are all SHILLS as you say... why do you waste your time here?

Videre Licet [August 17, 2014 - 9:56 pm]: @psyopticon: "possible "cui bono" for the "chemtrail" hoax" something that we will never know

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 9:56 pm]: Why are you here, Videre? Because no one but your fellow shills is trusting in you. You were smoked out in your first interview. Remember that one, where you claimed that the footage broadcast on 911 was genuine.. Thereby completely undermining the key tenet of September Clues. THAT is what maketh a shill, Videre.

Videre Licet [August 17, 2014 - 9:57 pm]: @psyopticon: nobody home but us SHILLS... move on little man

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 9:59 pm]: Ahh.. Videre is plumping her that time-worn shill tactic (deployed very effectively in the 911 Hoax) in claiming that "no one will ever find the truth!" You get your script from fairytales, Videre? You sound just like Rumpelstiltskin!!

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 10:02 pm]: Let's get back to the "Chemtrails" Hoax, since we have here - in Videre, and in PeterShea - two of the keenest proponents for that silliest of psyops and frauds.

Videre Licet [August 17, 2014 - 10:04 pm]: @psyopticon: you are the silliest fraud

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 10:08 pm]: Videre's contribution on "Chemtrails" (after pumping out shed-loads of disinformation to support the hoax) --- the truth behind "chemtrails", she now says, is: "something that we will never know" (now that's one for Tim's special quotes archive!)

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 10:09 pm]: Videre "Rumpelstiltskin" Licet.. "no one will ever guess the truth!"

Videre Licet [August 17, 2014 - 10:10 pm]: @psyopticon: you need a new id and new voice... you have worn out this one.

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 10:11 pm]: Weren't the wankers around Fetzer making the same claims about 911 - "no one will ever find out who was really behind this mass murder of 3,000 people!" Or was that Lord Gnome Chomsky? Either way, you're a protege of that brand of hoaxery, Videre!

Banazir Galbasi [August 17, 2014 - 10:11 pm]: Just needs to change the settings.

Videre Licet [August 17, 2014 - 10:15 pm]: @psyopticon: have respect for others who may not have found the level of truth you believe you have found.

Dustyash [August 17, 2014 - 10:15 pm]: @psyopticon: You are a big goofy joke or just a joke just for you

Videre Licet [August 17, 2014 - 10:16 pm]: @psyopticon: point a finger and call a wanker.... 3 point back at you

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 10:16 pm]: Less froth, ad hominems

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 10:16 pm]: Less froth, less bluster, less dusty!

Videre Licet [August 17, 2014 - 10:17 pm]: @psyopticon: less psyopticon?

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 10:17 pm]: Let's get back to the "Chemtrails Hoax" (are you joining Videre and Shea in promoting that particular scam, Dusty? Quite a lucrative little swindle, if you think of all that missing silver that must be out there somewhere! Kerr-ching!

Videre Licet [August 17, 2014 - 10:18 pm]: @psyopticon: I hope they pay you shitty wages.... because you are a shitty SHILL

Videre Licet [August 17, 2014 - 10:20 pm]: @psyopticon: a waste of government money

Dustyash [August 17, 2014 - 10:20 pm]: @psyopticon: We are not promoting anything just talking and I emphasize talking not shouting not saying that anything is for certain just talking relaxing something you have not demonstrated at all

Videre Licet [August 17, 2014 - 10:21 pm]: @Dustyash: so true!

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 10:21 pm]: Just a yes or no, will do Dusty. Are you onboard the Chemtrails Hoax, with Videre and Peter? Or you will the virtuous logicians of this world, keen to unravel the motive for pulling of such scam; a scam in which thousands of kilograms of pure silver simply vanish into thin air (or so they claim!)

Banazir Galbasi [August 17, 2014 - 10:21 pm]: Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz............................

Videre Licet [August 17, 2014 - 10:21 pm]: @psyopticon: stifle

Dustyash [August 17, 2014 - 10:22 pm]: Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz@psyopticon: Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz my thought exactly Banazir

Banazir Galbasi [August 17, 2014 - 10:23 pm]: Grab your kitty suitcase and take a hike. Holy Shit man, the jig is up. 8o

Videre Licet [August 17, 2014 - 10:23 pm]: @Dustyash: @Banazir Galbasi: lol

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 10:23 pm]: Ahh, it's Dusty's holey old sockpuppet! Right on cue! Like a sketch from 2DTV!

Videre Licet [August 17, 2014 - 10:24 pm]: @psyopticon: you found his socks?

Dustyash [August 17, 2014 - 10:24 pm]: he just keeps coming I think he likes being burned all the time@psyopticon: he likes being abused

Dustyash [August 17, 2014 - 10:24 pm]: he likes being whipped

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 10:25 pm]: You guys don't really have anything to offer us, do you? You've quite literally contributed nothing online ANYWHERE in support of exposing media fakery!

Dustyash [August 17, 2014 - 10:25 pm]: oh yes ohyes ahhhh

Videre Licet [August 17, 2014 - 10:25 pm]: @psyopticon: then MOVE ON!

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 10:25 pm]: Is that why none of you guys are on cluesforum? They'd boot you clowns out within minutes.

Dustyash [August 17, 2014 - 10:25 pm]: thank you sir may I have another!@psyopticon:

Dustyash [August 17, 2014 - 10:26 pm]: @psyopticon: Goof with a capital G

Videre Licet [August 17, 2014 - 10:26 pm]: @psyopticon: is that what happened to you?

Videre Licet [August 17, 2014 - 10:27 pm]: @psyopticon: stupid is as stupid does...

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 10:30 pm]: Anyway, for those who have better things to do that talk to these clowns ^^^^ -- let's revisit the "Eduardo Campos" psyop. Campos was supposedly the (third place) socialist candidate in the upcoming Brazilian presidential election. "Campos" allegedly died in a Cessna 560XL crash last week. Here's SShack on the Campos Hoax.

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 10:32 pm]: The Campos psyop has a similar whiff to the Paul Wellstone hoax - another psyop involving light aircraft crash. Immediately suggestions of foulplay; presumably to frighten the bejeesus out of anyone supporting them. In Wellstone's case, he was supposedly seeking truth on 911. So his "plane crash" may have served very well to frighten off other truth-seekers.

or e bil [August 17, 2014 - 10:32 pm]: The Truman Show --- Sirius falls from the sky Stairway to Heaven

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 10:34 pm]: We had a similar light aircraft crash hoax in Britain. Again, an also-ran politician (Nigel Farage) was involved (the phony plane crash being on election day :D). Alex Jones interviewed Farage after the crash (which he "narrowly survived"). Jones let it be know it was "the Globalists who tried to kill you, Mr Farage!".. :P

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 10:35 pm]: Turns out that Farage's "crashed plane" had been written-off some years earlier in another accident! Ooops, yer fucked that one up, guys!

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 10:39 pm]: What do you think of all these "light aircraft crashes" involving politicians, Dusty, Videre, Ban? Any thoughts or just more bluff and shillery?! And let's not forget the "plane crash" that killed Jarosław Kaczyński, the (identical twin) brother of the Polish president! The two brothers were so similar, you couldn't tell one from the other! Did anyone ever seem them together?!

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 10:39 pm]:

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 10:42 pm]: Beg your pardon.. It was President Lech Kaczyński (the other identical twin) who "died" in that phony "plane crash". His identical brother Jarosław Kaczyński has formed a new political party to "carry on the good work of his late brother" !!

or e bil [August 17, 2014 - 10:45 pm]: I'm Libero from cluesforum...

Dustyash [August 17, 2014 - 10:45 pm]: @psyopticon: I think you are on drugs

Videre Licet [August 17, 2014 - 10:46 pm]: @or e bil: nice to meet you libero... i did look to see if your name made sense backward. welcome

or e bil [August 17, 2014 - 10:47 pm]: thanks, Videre

or e bil [August 17, 2014 - 10:49 pm]: I suspect that psyopticon may be another ID from cluesforum from a while back called Reichstag Fireman

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 10:50 pm]: Maybe we are identical twins, libero!

khammad [August 17, 2014 - 10:50 pm]: @or e bil: Hello sir, welcome. I look forward to chatting with you.

Videre Licet [August 17, 2014 - 10:50 pm]: @or e bil: i would not doubt it

or e bil [August 17, 2014 - 10:50 pm]: I could be wrong, but Reichstag sort of flamed out in a weird way too...

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 10:50 pm]: Maybe someone hacked his account?

Videre Licet [August 17, 2014 - 10:50 pm]: @or e bil: all the shills do

or e bil [August 17, 2014 - 10:51 pm]: nice to meet you khammad

Videre Licet [August 17, 2014 - 10:51 pm]: @psyopticon: making excuses for your bad behaviour

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 10:52 pm]: Nice to meet you too, libero, although if you're really from cluesforum, we've "met" already. Why didn't you join here as "Libero", so people would know it was you.

Videre Licet [August 17, 2014 - 10:53 pm]: @psyopticon: why are you evil.edna.666 and psyopticon? was it so people wouldn't know you?

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 10:53 pm]: The pleasantries over (and let's remember Hoi's sobering words that we're not here to make friends)... so can we get back to studying media fakery??

Videre Licet [August 17, 2014 - 10:53 pm]: @psyopticon: speak for yourself

or e bil [August 17, 2014 - 10:54 pm]: @psyopticon: in the beginning I was sort of testing the waters with this site. I couldn't change my ID

Videre Licet [August 17, 2014 - 10:54 pm]: @or e bil: not a problem at this end :)

Dustyash [August 17, 2014 - 10:55 pm]: @or e bil: be careful of this psyopticon character

or e bil [August 17, 2014 - 10:56 pm]: @Dustyash: Yes. I was just answering his question.

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 10:56 pm]: yes indeed, I do use those identities! Psyopticon was originally my twitter account. But Evil Edna was already taken (on twitter). See here: -- some good stuff on there, although I say it myself -- The psyop involving the "light plane crash" of British/Euro politican Nigel Farage is scrutinised on there, through the medium of faux-tography.. https://pbs.twimg.

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 10:56 pm]: oops..

Dustyash [August 17, 2014 - 10:56 pm]: @or e bil: No problem cheers

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 10:58 pm]: @or e bil: Likewise, be very careful of Dusty! God knows who he is, or what his agenda is! But I dunna like him!

or e bil [August 17, 2014 - 11:02 pm]: @psyopticon: :) Thanks for the warning but Dusty hasn't given me any odd impressions yet. Your performance on the call last night had me entertained for quite a while today, however. No offense :)

Dustyash [August 17, 2014 - 11:02 pm]: @or e bil: Just listen to Dustban and me and Banazir will talk with you no problem. Psyopticon has been very disruptive as of late and nobody else has just listen to the last post 6hrs 25mins in and you will know what I mean with psyopticon

khammad [August 17, 2014 - 11:04 pm]:

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khammad [August 17, 2014 - 11:05 pm]:

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or e bil [August 17, 2014 - 11:05 pm]: @Dustyash: Thanks, yeah I listened to most of it.

Dustyash [August 17, 2014 - 11:05 pm]:

khammad [August 17, 2014 - 11:06 pm]: The above 7 links are copied from the Livestream Audio chat, 8/17/2014

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 11:06 pm]: @or e bil: Don't be complacent! Many if not most of them here are not sincere. Same gameplan as cluesforum has endured since its inception. Deep-cover shills embedding themselves, establishing confidences and then working to undermine the effectiveness of the forum. That, I would guess it was we're seeking on today. Although many of them don't even bother with the deep-cover

khammad [August 17, 2014 - 11:06 pm]: @Dustyash: Housekeeping. Ab would like us to put the links from the audio chat into the chat here.

or e bil [August 17, 2014 - 11:07 pm]: @psyopticon: I think we're all at different stages.

Dustyash [August 17, 2014 - 11:07 pm]: k

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 11:07 pm]: @khammad: Why don't you put the links somewhere more useful - perhaps with some "meta data" (a brief explanation) to identify what they involve, and a time-pointer where they were referenced in the audiochat.

Dustyash [August 17, 2014 - 11:08 pm]: @khammad: I put the polka song in the chat lol

khammad [August 17, 2014 - 11:08 pm]: @Dustyash: I love that song!

Dustyash [August 17, 2014 - 11:08 pm]: yes

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 11:09 pm]: Ahh, a link to the polka dot bikini song. That sounds about right for you dusty. Always the man to elevate the intellectual discourse to ever loftier heights!

Dustyash [August 17, 2014 - 11:09 pm]: Great song good times

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 11:10 pm]: If the best you can muster are links to banal pop song videos then maybe it's time to call time on this forum?!

khammad [August 17, 2014 - 11:10 pm]: THIS is reality

khammad [August 17, 2014 - 11:10 pm]: Not Justin Bieber or Lady Gaga

khammad [August 17, 2014 - 11:11 pm]: Regular people enjoying music: Polka!!!

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 11:11 pm]: @or e bil: Do I remember correctly that you are in Britain?

or e bil [August 17, 2014 - 11:11 pm]: @psyopticon: Nope... California.

Dustyash [August 17, 2014 - 11:11 pm]:

khammad [August 17, 2014 - 11:14 pm]: @Dustyash: Nice!

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 11:15 pm]: @or e bil: Ahh.. sorry, must have been someone else.

Dustyash [August 17, 2014 - 11:15 pm]: it is a good one for psyopticon just to drown it out

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 11:15 pm]: @or e bil: Anyway. What hoaxery relevations are you bringing to the table for us to feast on?

or e bil [August 17, 2014 - 11:18 pm]: @psyopticon: I'm sort of living in the "Why?" and "What to do?" now stage instead of the "What is it?"

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 11:18 pm]: @Dustyash: perhaps, when you've finished watching all these teenage pop videos, you can spare 39 seconds of your immensely valuable time to study this footage, supposedly of "Eduardo Campos" at the birth of his fifth child, shortly before he too "died in a light aircraft crash". Seriously. Does it look real to you?

Dustyash [August 17, 2014 - 11:18 pm]: @psyopticon: Anyway you can keep on knockin but you can't come in

or e bil [August 17, 2014 - 11:19 pm]: So busting the fakery isn't too fun for me anymore

Hoi Polloi [August 17, 2014 - 11:19 pm]: @psyopticon: no, I have not forgotten my skepticism of the openness of this network. I can own up to it. I would suggest if you are annoyed with them, you stick to posting your research on CluesForum. This is more like what Ab calls the 'therapeutic' crowd.

Hoi Polloi [August 17, 2014 - 11:20 pm]: I stepped in here not for making friends but to participate and investigate the therapy aspect. I cannot say what or who to trust, that is up to everyone individually. Clearly there is a divide of trust between some folks.

Dustyash [August 17, 2014 - 11:20 pm]: @psyopticon:

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 11:21 pm]: @or e bil: Fairy Nuff. So where is it going? Fakery and hoaxes are nothing new. Dating back to the days of Rome and no doubt long before that. Can we stop it? Probably not. Noone has succeed in the past. Can we educate small cadres. For sure. To me at least, that's a worthy cause.

or e bil [August 17, 2014 - 11:23 pm]: @psyopticon: The latest event in Ferguson is intriguing. They brought out the sluggers with Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. Now they have Michael Baden doing a new autopsy....

or e bil [August 17, 2014 - 11:23 pm]: An all star event indeed

or e bil [August 17, 2014 - 11:24 pm]: @psyopticon: Definitely a worthy cause...

Hoi Polloi [August 17, 2014 - 11:25 pm]: I agree with psyopticon this divide is a bit of a distraction to focus on, that pshea is sometimes rambling about hunches that are not actually true and rather worthless and distracting! on the other hand, I agree with pshea that chemtrails and other things ARE worth investigating. I think psyopticon's concerns indicate he is more interested in actual proofs. As am I.

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 11:25 pm]: Hi Hoi. Sure. I don't think there's anything much left of this forum. But I try to remain hopeful. It was initially inspiring. We see all the same tripe that has dragged down cluesforum since time immemorial. I guess what's differrent is a question of proportions of shillery, which is only managed through control/censorship, and you do that well on cluesforum, where there's pretty much no co

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 11:27 pm]: ...pretty much no control here.. anything goes. So without that control, and with big government budgets on psyops, and large payrolls of operatives to keep the hoaxes afloat, it doesn't take much to capsize a forum like this one.

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 11:28 pm]: Thanks @or e bil: at last some interesting research. Will check it out!

Hoi Polloi [August 17, 2014 - 11:28 pm]: Well, it hasn't collapsed yet. Ab is more patient than you or I, perhaps.

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 11:29 pm]: Well.. there's a lot of derailment on the forum - almost every thread bogged down with numerology acrobatics, for example. However, the interviews ab has done with you and simon, and others, have been excellent. Maybe I'm just intolerant. In fact I know I am!

khammad [August 17, 2014 - 11:30 pm]:

khammad [August 17, 2014 - 11:30 pm]: Wally Dove 1 of 6 NAMEs, PERSONs, and interest currency

Hoi Polloi [August 17, 2014 - 11:30 pm]: I know how you feel. Really. I think a lot of the people who show up aren't always shills; I think a lot of them are just not really comprehending what we're saying.

or e bil [August 17, 2014 - 11:30 pm]: @Hoi Polloi: Why would you expect this site to collapse?

Hoi Polloi [August 17, 2014 - 11:31 pm]: I don't think it will necessarily. I think psyopticon is suggesting it is flooded with more time-wasters.

Dustyash [August 17, 2014 - 11:31 pm]: @Hoi Polloi: I agree

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 11:32 pm]: I didn't really mean collapse as in close down. I meant just diluting anything of value.. Turning it into another David Icke Forum, or God Like Productions. For sure, there's good material on all these forums, but if I have to wade through 19 pages of a GLP thread to find a handful of intelligent and insightful comments, then, sorry, but thats just too much effort.

Hoi Polloi [August 17, 2014 - 11:32 pm]: Exactly.

Hoi Polloi [August 17, 2014 - 11:33 pm]: I understand this is *not* CluesForum, it is better at doing something CluesForum is not good at doing. But this is because of Ab's moderation.

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 11:33 pm]: Not sure what to say. It's ab's forum not mine. He's a very nice fellow. He tries his very best.

or e bil [August 17, 2014 - 11:33 pm]: @Hoi Polloi: I get it. Yet it also provides opportunity to do more out of the box thinking. It's all up to the individual and their own ability to reason anyway, right?

Hoi Polloi [August 17, 2014 - 11:34 pm]: @libero: I hear you. And I hope you find what you need!

or e bil [August 17, 2014 - 11:35 pm]: It's just nice to have people to talk to that don't think you're batshit crazy :)

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 11:35 pm]: That's a good point libero. I'm often cautious about posting something on cluesforum for fear of getting wrong - and I certainly have on many occasions. Simon very graciously picked up the pieces in a hash I made in the Clutha Chopper Crash Hoax. So there's a much higher bar of entry for clues. But that's what makes it invaluable.

Hoi Polloi [August 17, 2014 - 11:35 pm]: I think one thing we might consider is something pshea seems to long for but also seems to dance around: some kind of collaboration or agreements beyond the idea of research.

Hoi Polloi [August 17, 2014 - 11:36 pm]: I strongly feel that. But I also think each of us can only do a few things well enough. I am okay at this CluesForum thing, I guess. At least good enough.

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 11:36 pm]: By contrast, it's horrible to see this forum -which also have some very skilled skeptics / researchers dragged down to the lowest common denominator. How long before someone brings Icke's "reptilian" theory here, for example?

Hoi Polloi [August 17, 2014 - 11:36 pm]: But pshea would not be so good at that. He is more like a "moral support" character.

or e bil [August 17, 2014 - 11:37 pm]: @Hoi Polloi: About a month ago, you seemed for a while to be coming down on people kinda hard... almost like you were in a bad mood...

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 11:37 pm]: Hehe! Well I did call pshea the Father Ted of Fakeology yesterday.

Videre Licet [August 17, 2014 - 11:38 pm]: @or e bil: it's okay to be bat shit crazy here. ;)

Hoi Polloi [August 17, 2014 - 11:38 pm]: @or e bil: Bad mood? On the contrary, I am much harder on the forum than I act. It probably was my normal strictness returning.

or e bil [August 17, 2014 - 11:39 pm]: @psyopticon: But there may be something more... that's the thing. I know I have an entirely new outlook on life somewhat like Peter.

Hoi Polloi [August 17, 2014 - 11:39 pm]: I know that I run the risk of people misinterpreting the moderation as moody or angry. It really isn't from that place. We just need to keep the place readable.

Hoi Polloi [August 17, 2014 - 11:39 pm]: And consistent, so that people do not get upset about unfairness.

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 11:40 pm]: @or e bil: "there may be something more" ??? Please expand!

khammad [August 17, 2014 - 11:40 pm]: Help us solve a mystery. Listen at 2:28:42. What could be the reasons why the voice changes?

or e bil [August 17, 2014 - 11:40 pm]: @Hoi Polloi: I get it... but, for instance, when you wanted me to post my opinions... well, my opinions shouldn't mean shit to anyone. I think everyone needs to use their own mind once they cross the threshold.

khammad [August 17, 2014 - 11:41 pm]:

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 11:41 pm]: You've got the editorial control just right on clues, Hoi. And as I said, hands up and "mea culpa" when i get it wrong.

Hoi Polloi [August 17, 2014 - 11:41 pm]: or e bil, what is that a reference to? I didn't mean to step on your toes. I think that happens when people take the moderation personally.

Hoi Polloi [August 17, 2014 - 11:42 pm]: As if I am sitting here enjoying myself.

or e bil [August 17, 2014 - 11:42 pm]: @psyopticon: I've talked a bit about it on Clues... Consciousness.. paying attention... 9/11 may have been designe to do that.

khammad [August 17, 2014 - 11:42 pm]: At 2:28:42, there is a distinct change in voice. Frog in throat, glitch, or what? This is a real mystery we are looking at.

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 11:43 pm]: @khammad: I listened to that several times, and surprise surprise, recognised my own (undoctored) voice. I don't know what to say. I couldn't hear any "quavering" or croaking or whatever in my voice. Maybe I'm not a good judge. It's often cringeworthy listing to yourself on tape.

Hoi Polloi [August 17, 2014 - 11:43 pm]: Simon said the same thing, psyopticon.

khammad [August 17, 2014 - 11:43 pm]: @or e bil: Have you listened?

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 11:43 pm]: To be blunt, khammad, I don't really trust you.

Hoi Polloi [August 17, 2014 - 11:43 pm]: He listened to it in very high quality.

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 11:44 pm]: okay, lemme listen again. Yet another 50MB download.

or e bil [August 17, 2014 - 11:44 pm]: @Hoi Polloi: No worries Hoi. I sort of think of Cluesforum as a site with its mission... to point out fakery and then move on to perhaps find meaning, if any.

Hoi Polloi [August 17, 2014 - 11:45 pm]: Thanks or e bil, that is what we hope to achieve. It is a high complement if you feel you don't need us any more. Godspeed wherever you end up. Everyone has a personal journey, as you say.

or e bil [August 17, 2014 - 11:45 pm]: @khammad: Yes ... Thanks. I heard and it is definitely suspicious. Last nights conversation as well.

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 11:45 pm]: 2h28m42s.. here we come..

khammad [August 17, 2014 - 11:45 pm]: @Hoi Polloi: I would like put this one to bed.

Hoi Polloi [August 17, 2014 - 11:46 pm]: Me too, let me listen again.

Hoi Polloi [August 17, 2014 - 11:46 pm]: Simon heard no difference in voice, he said it sounded like psyopticon just had some distance from the mic.

khammad [August 17, 2014 - 11:47 pm]: Makes sense.

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 11:47 pm]: Maybe the pitch of my voice seems to rise a little bit for five or ten second. Just a quirk of my voice, I guess. Hardly warrants repeated interest. Maybe I was sitting uncomfortably? Something the ladies might not appreciate!

Hoi Polloi [August 17, 2014 - 11:48 pm]: Yes, your pitch rises, you sound more like Winnie the Pooh for a second and then it goes back to being more "crackly"

Videre Licet [August 17, 2014 - 11:48 pm]: @or e bil: I am in Cali too. We should do a coffee some day.

Videre Licet [August 17, 2014 - 11:48 pm]: @or e bil: a mini fakeologist conference. :)

or e bil [August 17, 2014 - 11:50 pm]: @Hoi One tiny suggestion... You should alert Fben to stop slamming people for not listening and then proceed to produce ELA after ELA :) LOL

Hoi Polloi [August 17, 2014 - 11:50 pm]: fbenario is out of control, sometimes. I am not sure what to do, we have tried telling him to calm down.

Hoi Polloi [August 17, 2014 - 11:50 pm]: sorry about that

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 11:51 pm]: Lemme tell you an English tale of tragedy and comedy from 20+ years ago. For a while, I'd been admiring this beautiful young woman called Daisy. very hippy, anti-war, anti-fox hunting (big social divider in britain).. one night, there she was in the corner of a bar, all alone, twanging away on her guitar.

or e bil [August 17, 2014 - 11:51 pm]: @Hoi Polloi: No apology necessary...

khammad [August 17, 2014 - 11:51 pm]: @Hoi Polloi: The gentlemen from the United Kingdom neighborhood hear a difference in accent style, not accountable by change in pitch.

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 11:52 pm]: Eventually plucking up the courage, I went over to try and break the ice, but as I went in for that informal hullo (ding dong) all that come out from my lips was an embarrassing squeaky little mouse voice! And that was one chance for a Dance with Daisy blown for good!

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 11:52 pm]: @khammad: You're so full of shit, you serve no useful purpose on any fakeology groups.

or e bil [August 17, 2014 - 11:53 pm]: @psyopticon: What happened to your character? Overnight?

Hoi Polloi [August 17, 2014 - 11:53 pm]: @psyopticon: I think you could just "put it to rest" for Fakeologists by doing an audio thing and try to imitate yourself with that pitch and accent. That would prove it is within your normal range. But again, I don't think it's even necessary or worth bringing up. I hear my friends swing between accents occasionally, depending on who is around them.

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 11:54 pm]: Entertain me, then khammad. What did this "gentleman" say about my accent. I can usually identify someone's origins to within maybe 50 miles of their place of upbrining in England (not so easy for Scottish/Welsh).. Where did he say I was from..

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 11:56 pm]: That said, we all pick up a few nuances from local dialects when we move about.. I've lived in Birmingham, West Midlands (where I am now - see "Jasper Carrot" for quintessential Brummie/Birmingham accent), Liverpool (scouse whine), east London (eastenders), Cambridge (town and gown- bumpkins and toffs), oh and Belfast (N.Ireland) so there's probably a good mix there.

Hoi Polloi [August 17, 2014 - 11:56 pm]: also, psyopticon may have been pulling something called a 'sympathetic listening', where your accent changes based on who you are talking to or the topic. like if someone starts engaging me in Italian, I start stressing consonants more.

Hoi Polloi [August 17, 2014 - 11:57 pm]: the topic at hand was psyopticon trying to place an accent of the caller

Hoi Polloi [August 17, 2014 - 11:57 pm]: so to me, I read it as psyopticon subconsciously 'throwing off' the interviewee and not being fully aware of it.

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 11:57 pm]: Yeah, that's probably true. When I'm in a bar I often lower my quality of english, and litter my talk with obscenities, to put others at ease.

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 11:58 pm]: obviously only if it's "that" sort of bar.

Hoi Polloi [August 17, 2014 - 11:58 pm]: since pshea seems to think I didn't write the Vicsim Report because it's "too good", I sense his hunches are ... not that good sometimes

psyopticon [August 17, 2014 - 11:58 pm]: :P

Hoi Polloi [August 17, 2014 - 11:58 pm]: and then he gets obsessed with them

Hoi Polloi [August 17, 2014 - 11:59 pm]: but I could be wrong, and we shouldn't trust anyone in this research, but I feel like psyopticon's output is not distracting, he in fact eschews distractions

Hoi Polloi [August 17, 2014 - 11:59 pm]: it is pshea that keeps forcing psy into a corner and making him make his unpopular opinions known. what good does that do?

or e bil [August 17, 2014 - 11:59 pm]: @Hoi Polloi: Just my opinion, but I am reminded of that Astronut character. Call him out on his pictures and boy did he turn his character.

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:00 am]: psy is trying to keep his to himself, he doesn't go posting "chemtrails aren't real, shut up about those" or anything of that sort

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 12:00 am]: re: psyopticon

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 12:00 am]: Whereas if I was in court, standing in the dock as The Accused, I'd try and shed, for the benefit of my plea, that "Estuary English" that we all pick up to some degree from TV!

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:01 am]: I see what you mean or e bil, but as long as that hasn't happened to psyopticon and he keeps posting such good stuff, I don't know what to say. it seems like everyone is after him even though he is clearly showing he is striving NOT to muddy the waters on our forum.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 12:02 am]: I agree re: Cluesforum. I haven't seen Evil Edna post any sort of misleading stuff...

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 12:02 am]: As for my voice, who wants to sound like an east london gangsta when presenting a wholesome account of one's life?! Whereas talking to lads in the pub, about some chick in a bikini in the beergarden, you know, I'm not going to deny dumbing down the tone a bit, just for a laugh.

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 12:02 am]: don't well all do that?

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 12:02 am]: riots in st. louis

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:03 am]: I know I have to sound dumber a bit sometimes, because if I speak how I wish, I sound very very dull and yawn-inducing indeed. Even WORSE than how I sound on this kind of "radio" stuff.

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:04 am]: As for "Riots in St. Louis", I am already personally suffering for that because of a background character who apparently was walking around wearing a shirt that says "Don't Shoot"

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:05 am]: and a family member now insists we should all be walking around wearing these. Ugh

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 12:05 am]: LOL Yep, enterprising folks jump on the bandwagon to make a buck.

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:06 am]: (facepalm)

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 12:06 am]: I seriously think that Conspiracy Theory means alternative market in the world.

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:07 am]: I think it would make a kind of ridiculous statement if it was understood for its double meaning. Like a message to the media "Don't Shoot" — please, do not involve me in your PsyOps.

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:08 am]: So I made a tongue-in-cheek version for the family member in CafePress (that site where they take all the money for your idea, but WTF, I'm not trying to make money off my family)

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 12:08 am]: Who could poss believe that 3 women were kidnapped by a bus driver from cleveland 20-30K annual salary for 10 years, and one even has a kid.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 12:09 am]: yet it has sold a ton of kindle copies on

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 12:09 am]: idiocracy

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:09 am]: what is the 'it' that sold?

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:09 am]: the story?

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 12:09 am]: that movie is the story of what is happening today I think.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 12:09 am]: Lemme check

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 12:09 am]: The idea of chemtrails as a vehicle for mass poisoning is difficult to swallow. Simply because it would be poisoning indiscriminately; the rich and powerful struck down just as often as the little people. What use in that? Same for water fluoridation.Mass medication is always stupid & fluoridation does damage teeth/bones but it's going to do that all who drinks tap water,so where's the conspirac

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:10 am]: psyopticon, I personally don't believe we need to be *swallowing* a drug designed to enhance the surface of teeth; I think it's a case of abuse and negligence of power.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 12:11 am]: 2127 reviews 5 star rating

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:11 am]: You can easily read negative intent into it, and I don't blame people for that.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 12:12 am]: if 2127 people reviewed I can't imagine how many purchased

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:12 am]: oh I've confused a shooting PsyOp for the kidnapping case, sry

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 12:12 am]: Tons of books sold on Amanda Knox case....

khammad [August 18, 2014 - 12:13 am]:

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:13 am]: his name is Ariel Castro? Like Ariel Sharon plus Cuba? Weird.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 12:13 am]: Yep...

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:15 am]: interesting that you mention this, I remember hearing Missouri being infamous for kidnappings

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 12:15 am]: there's something interesting about the last name of the girls too

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:15 am]: and I thought, "really? is that so?" why Missouri?

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:15 am]: i wonder if it's just one of the demographics for book sales! :O

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:16 am]: and newspaper sales

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 12:16 am]: Knight Berry DeJesus I'm Surprised Dcopy wasn't all over it

Videre Licet [August 18, 2014 - 12:17 am]: @Hoi Polloi: "everyone is after him"???! ... and then you woke up.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 12:18 am]: "True crime" takes on a whole new meaning. My opinion is that it is a form of "True reported art"

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:18 am]: @Videre: yes, people taking issue with what they suspect is a voice modulator?

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:19 am]: to me it does sound a bit like that.

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:19 am]: but i don't know!

smj [August 18, 2014 - 12:20 am]: @ Iibero I enjoy your stuff on . There are many things that make me go hmm as well.

Videre Licet [August 18, 2014 - 12:20 am]: @Hoi Polloi: i agree the voice thing is pretty thin... but the character has been attacking everyone else

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 12:22 am]: @Hoi Polloi: Hoi, I know you were sort of pissed about me posting An Alex Jones link in the Beatles thread but I thought it was pretty funny that the Rand corporation building is in the shape of a vesica pisces at an address of 1776 and across from a statue of a nuclear explosion constructed out of chains.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 12:23 am]: @smj: Thank you SMJ... I learned a hell of a lot as I started to put stuff together..

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:23 am]: Is that what it was? Did you post that in the forum along with a detailed explanation, along with your own research?

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:23 am]: I feel like it's easy enough to post the good part without subjecting us to AJ

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:23 am]: @Videre: I agree, and I think psyopticon is being obnoxious by shaking everyone up and claiming everyone here who is not posting stuff on CluesForum must be a shill. I totally disagree.

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:24 am]: But I see it as psy vs. "people psy is impatient with" and that is just an internal spat and none of you is acting much like a shill at all.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 12:24 am]: Yeah... that is what it was but no, I put no description. I hoped to let people use their own mind... sorry I know you warned against that stuff sometimes...

khammad [August 18, 2014 - 12:25 am]:

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:25 am]: It's not about letting people use their own mind. We explicitly state on the forum do not post things with no context or your own writing.

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:25 am]: they are supposed to have something to judge and use their own mind on

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:25 am]: that is finally NOT that normal stuff

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:25 am]: Or else our forum becomes a link-fest and it's like ... why are we a platform for YouTube?

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:26 am]: We are an opportunity for YOU to post your own research. If you had just posted the video with a time stamp of what you found interesting and an explanation of what you found interesting, it would have been fine.

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 12:26 am]: Okay, here it is for posterity -- an excerpt of my comments in that 3 hour audiochat which clowns here are claim was done with voice morphing software. Hopefully to for the benefit of anyone persuaded otherwise by the fruit-loop army of Videre, KHammad, PShea.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 12:27 am]: Yes, I get that, but... for example. Fben jumped on me for not telling him what he would learn from a Bugliosi post. I could have put, hmmm watch this guy skirt the question but Fben might have learned what a great litigator he is... I didn

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 12:27 am]: t want to sway opinion.

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 12:28 am]: Anyway, boring topic in a boring conversation about boring people. I just tuned into audiochat fakeologist and they are STILL ranting on about voice morphing software. Guys: these aren't sincere people!

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:28 am]: fbenario does not speak for us, if you have issue with him, tell us and post it right in the forum. we don't agree with him.

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:28 am]: psyopticon, I think they are sincere. Sincerely hung up on this. You have to let them have their distrust!

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:29 am]: We have tried telling fbenario to ease up on people, he doesn't listen.

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:29 am]: He is like an overeager child sometimes

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:30 am]: I apologize sincerely for your personal offense, but please try to understand it's not a personal attack, we try — try very hard — to leave the personality stuff out

smj [August 18, 2014 - 12:30 am]: I'm just looking for good data. I don't have the energy to go shill hunting all day. I judge an entity by what it brings to the proverbial table.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 12:31 am]: @Hoi Polloi: Yeah... I tried not to cause too much disruption as I see it as unhealthy. In the beginning, I was super eager to express my opinion, and as I went along my feeling was to inject more what I felt was ridiculous situational info and less opinion.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 12:32 am]: @Hoi Polloi: There's a lot of Sychronicity sites that are popping up that quite possible are controlled but seem to really put pieces together.

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:33 am]: A little disruption is okay if it's just a matter of little spats and snits, or e bil. But I understand losing patience with the forum.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 12:33 am]: The Black Dahlia, Orson Welles connection is sort of comical. He used to cut women in half in his magic show

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:33 am]: Since we don't want to be a platform for synchromysticism, I guess it's probably better that you move on if that's where you feel called. And good luck to you.

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 12:33 am]: Okay, you're a man of science, smj.. let's talk about "chemtrails" for weather modification. Supposedly that involves spraying thousands of litres of sodium iodide solution to "seed clouds". In 1978, that (new) programme supposedly involved spraying 3000 kilograms of pure silver into the atmosphere. Millions of bucks of silver, lost for good, or was it???

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 12:34 am]: I quite like fbenario. He's got a good calling, good judgment. The bible stuff is a bit lost on me. I struggle even to read it. But otherwise, he brings much more to the table than he takes away.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 12:35 am]: His wife was filming a movie at exactly the same time that contained mannikins that looked like the Dahlia.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 12:36 am]: 1947 was the year that the CIA was formed, evidently. Also the year of 20 years ago today in SGT Peppers song.

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 12:36 am]: Synchronicity as in the (Karl) Jungian theory? Isn't that just "New Age" quackery (albeit of the 19th century) ?

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:36 am]: Look, I think I can take responsibility for a little problem happening here at Ab's place. We don't discuss certain topics at CF. We leave the 'chemtrails' stuff off the forum, one way or the other. As a result, you end up with people able to discuss such divisive issues like that and synchromysticism here.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 12:37 am]: I don't believe so much in the synchronicity being random....

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:37 am]: As a result, you end up pulling the shill card on one another over things we don't discuss at CF.

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:37 am]: I cannot really take a position on it, because we are focused on CF. And so I am really sorry.

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 12:38 am]: Ahh. right. I read Jung's book. That whole crowd - Jung, Freud, Eysenk are discredited charlatans. Look at their backgrounds!

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 12:38 am]: No worries... we sort of had this conversation before.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 12:38 am]: I think sometimes this stuff is done as live art....

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:39 am]: Well I am not doing it as live art, I am pretty well "invested" in a lot of this being kind of real. I guess.

smj [August 18, 2014 - 12:39 am]: @psy I haven't a clue about chemtrails. I'll look into them after we get your average Joe to laugh at anything nasa related or big science related. I would probably start by figuring out who was given credit for the idea of spraying shit in the air.

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:39 am]: I am sorry that I seem to fan the flames by accident. I am not good at this. I seem to make psyopticon more arrogant, and people disagreeing with psyopticon more adamant.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 12:40 am]: The latest one that was done in Belgium had a vicsim was even holding a pamplet that said "Art" if I recall...

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:40 am]: I think I should probably just stick to CF.

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:41 am]: or e bil, yes, but I think "Art" is being used as an excuse by the perps

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:41 am]: they claim to be doing it for artistic reasons, forgetting that art is supposed to be a genuine compassionate connection to the audience

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:41 am]: not a cruel practical joke

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 12:41 am]: You never know... you may change your opinion in the future... I have gone through a range of emotions in the past few years.

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:42 am]: I see what you mean. Well for the time being, I feel that they put "Art" there because they hope that some people will switch sympathies

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:42 am]: By going "Oh yes, Art. It is art after all isn't it? It's all art." and become rather de-invested in their personal freedoms.

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 12:42 am]: We explored some weird high-profile (rich-and-famous) kidnapping cases in Europe from the 1970s/80s. Checkout the ALDI "Brecht" brother and the Heijn kidnapping, and many more. These were a series of similar "kidnappings". Involving rich continental Europeans. Often working in consumer retailing. Yet different kidnappers. Sims, probably. As usual the thread (here on fakeology) was derailed!

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 12:43 am]: You saw the quote I posted earlier from Kubrick, right. I think you were online then.

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:43 am]: Sorry, a lot going on! Remind me?

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 12:43 am]: lemme see if I can find it..

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 12:44 am]: “If you really want to communicate something, even if it’s just an emotion or an attitude, let alone an idea, the least effective and least enjoyable way is directly. It only goes in about an inch. But if you can get people to the point where they have to think a moment what it is you’re getting at, and then discover it, the thrill of discovery goes right through the heart.â€

― Stanley Ku

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:44 am]: Ah, yes!

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:44 am]: Okay, well I disagree

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:45 am]: It's an interesting idea, but I feel it isn't always so easy/

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 12:45 am]: So, what if the Moon Hoax was eventually meant to be found out?

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:45 am]: Sometimes, direct is good, sometimes hinting is better

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:45 am]: Hmm, could be, but the operative word you use there, which makes me so nervous is the passive voice "meant"

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 12:45 am]: Yes.... agreed

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:46 am]: meant by whom?

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:46 am]: It's like just because we are worried that we have found something interesting, we decide we were "meant" to do it by a necessarily good or evil power?

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 12:47 am]: It takes a big leap to go from believing what you are told to thinking on your own with little support, but it is the first step to listening to perhaps an internal voice inside, right?

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 12:47 am]: The moon hoax was found out from day one. My older brother's headmaster sat the kids down in 1969, and said the following to them, word for word, "what do we think of those saying we're off to the moon?" "They're dead from the neck up, sir" "That's right, Jones, well done, lad!" "Thanks, sir!"

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:47 am]: Perhaps in some people, but not all.

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:47 am]: Yes, psy, some people knew right away.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 12:47 am]: Yep agreed

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 12:48 am]: @Hoi Polloi: And then off he'd go telling them about the impossible radiation belts or asteroids, or whatever. A man long ahead of his time!

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:48 am]: right on, psy

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:48 am]: like the kid in my college who knew instantly the planes on 9/11 were fake

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 12:49 am]: Believe me, I don't have all the answers. TPTB could be evil or they could be spiritual...

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:49 am]: I think we give the "them" too much credit when we turn our embarrassment at being a late-comer to the 'wake up' party into something like a sense of belonging. i think it's just whatever you make of it.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 12:49 am]: I am reminded by the one twilight zone episode where the dude getes everything he wants... money... power can't lose at gambling etc... and finds out he is in hell.

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 12:50 am]: Some people just have that insight. And yet they are mocked and rerided. I still feel awful at scoffing at someone (just as others now scoff at me) when he was trying sincerely to blow the cover on the Nookular Hoax.

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 12:50 am]: derided even!

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:50 am]: that's a rather paranoid mindset, or e bil

smj [August 18, 2014 - 12:50 am]: @psy van Allen was neck deep in the hustle as well.

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:50 am]: i personally think if you attach too much spiritual significance to these things, you miss something more subtle and important about life

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:51 am]: not to mention you are granting these egotists the 'god like' status they so crave

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:51 am]: which i find just disgusting

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 12:51 am]: @smj: big time... If Clues' official stance is that satellites aren't real than the Van Allen Belt can't be real either since it was discovered through a satelllite

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:51 am]: the sun is real, but satellites and probes claim to see it

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:51 am]: so i disagree or e bil

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 12:52 am]: I thought you think that satellites aren't real?

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:52 am]: the "official" stance on everything if it can be called that, is pretty much like "we don't know"

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:53 am]: i personally am just serving the platform for the idea that they might not be

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:53 am]: and that takes some work

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 12:53 am]: Got it... but then they have to be real if Van Allen's belt is real info too.

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:54 am]: i understand where you are coming from, we discount everything

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:54 am]: and i also agree with you: the Van Allen Belt is pretty suspect

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 12:54 am]: @smj: interesting about Van Allen. Once it's realised that man has never flown any craft above a few tens of kms, it's difficult to see how anyone could measure radiation at altitudes much beyond that!

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:55 am]: yes, psy and smj, it is all suspect

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 12:55 am]: I just wish we knew what the heck the thing floating around purporting to be the ISS is....

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:55 am]: we merely position the official arguments together in order to emphasize their plain absurdity and impossible contradictions

smj [August 18, 2014 - 12:55 am]: Van Allen was also a prescientist like Fermi et al. He made a prediction that was later "confirmed" by the second explorer satellite. I'd post a link but I'm on my phone.

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 12:56 am]: And the 40 other "near earth objects" that we can (apparently) plot and spot, with the naked eye.

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:56 am]: haha, like Arthur C. Clarke

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 12:56 am]: Van Allen was also behind the Nuke in space...

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 12:56 am]: Starfish Prime I think they called it.

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:57 am]: so obviously I think you have nailed a suspicious customer, or e bil, nice

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 12:57 am]: thank SMJ :):)

smj [August 18, 2014 - 12:58 am]: I'm sure van Allen always got a good table at the cosmos club.

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:58 am]: Clarke "predicted" 9/11 which I witnessed and then the article was taken down from his personal web site which he claimed to be writing from Sri Lanka (ostensibly this is where he could have sex with children according to some)

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:59 am]: this was back in 2002 or so right after the events of 9/11, that he claimed this, before I was into researching

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:59 am]: I wish I had taken a screen grab

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 12:59 am]: :(

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:00 am]: I just thought "That's very odd" and told someone near me and they shrugged

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:00 am]: One reason why I am sort of retiring from researching is for others to dive in and find out for themselves.

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:00 am]: Take me with you

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:00 am]: This shit is exhausting

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:01 am]: Hate to bring up Fben again but he logs in for entertainment ... I think you can more easily get the bigger picture through the actual doing..

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:02 am]: we have banned him once, I think, if I remember the early days, and he begged Simon to come back and he was reinstated

smj [August 18, 2014 - 1:02 am]: @Hoi I like to make them own their own narrative so to speak, because it is utter bullshit.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:02 am]: @Hoi Polloi: I think his heart is in the right place and he is not a shill.

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:03 am]: I agree, I wish he did more research and got to your place

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:03 am]: so he could move on

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 1:03 am]: What#s the thinking on the Ferguson Riots? Who are the supposed "rioters" ? Disillusioned black youths? Gameplan? Fomenting a racial divide? Similar to what they staged here in Britain? Culminating, reportedly, in a young black man ("Mark Duggan", a sim) being shot through the head by cops. What followed was a tedious and very divisive public debate: Should cops be armed? Are negroes lawless?

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:03 am]: At one time I thought he might be one since he agreed with everything certain members said... like a dual ID.

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:04 am]: the ELA stuff doesn't seem to convince a lot of people

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:04 am]: (Error Level Analysis)

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:04 am]: I agree...

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:04 am]: @psy: I honestly don't follow the news lately

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:05 am]: Who knows how many times the photo has been laundered anyway.

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:05 am]: I only hear what I am forced to hear by those around me!

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:05 am]: and I haven't heard much from this riot stuff

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:05 am]: my guess, based on the previous patterns, is that the point is to heat up crowds to make them easier to divide

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:05 am]: @psyopticon: yeah that's the million dollar question.. But the big players are in it... the normal crew like Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Michael Baden.

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:05 am]: racial lines, age lines, police vs. civilian, you name it

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:06 am]: demographics are their science

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:07 am]: they have to make these events happen now and again in case a political movement gains too much power, they stir the shit, find the little groups and then ID and target them using Facebook, Twitter, Google, photographs, agents, etc.

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 1:07 am]: Lyndon LaRouche "predicted" the 911 Hoax ("a contrived event" to open a pan-Middle Eastern war; not too far from reality). Sadly, on 911, he later turned into a hoaxer himself, saying it was "too dangerous" to contradict the Official Narrative! That said, they supposedly jailed him for 5 years for running a "Fusion Energy" fraud, so maybe he'd done enough jailtime by then!

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:07 am]: lol psy, that's pretty weird

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:08 am]: Yep... there is a ton of psychology involved...

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:08 am]: Have you guys looked and listened to the lyrics from Stairway to Heaven lately?

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:09 am]: didn't Led Zeppelin claim the lyrics had no meaning and they laughed at all the convoluted things people devised about it?

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 1:10 am]: Worrying for all the Nookular Shills, to think that he was jailed for telling the Big Lie. More to it than that, me thinks!

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:10 am]: Do you think he was a real person in the first place, psy?

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:10 am]: I also posted in this chat a link to a "Stairway to Heaven" scene From The Truman Show along with a "Sirius" scene

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:11 am]: Hmm, I'm afraid I must once again officially side step out of the UFO subjects

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:11 am]: @Hoi Polloi: I guess you will have to use your mind regarding what you believe regarding the story of that song :)

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 1:12 am]: Which one? Lyndon Larouche? Wow, I've never really thought of that. Someone - an old guy - playing his role has done quite a few TV interviews. I don't believe he writes all these papers on everything from Baroque Music, to Fusion Energy, Greek Philosophy, Geopolitics, and so. Almost as unbelievable as one man writing the Vicsim Report!

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:12 am]: ha, or just not believe anything as brianv says

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:12 am]: one of my favorite choices of all

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:12 am]: Yes... You and BrianV can both step aside, but you can't deny the possible message trying to get across...

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:12 am]: I can't deny it for you if it resonates with you!

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:13 am]: You just go on believing what you want or need to or feel it's important to. Everyone does.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:13 am]: That's not what I mean.... how you receive the message is one thing, but the message is there...

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:13 am]: I don't believe that, sorry.

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 1:13 am]: I'm only joking. No reason to not believe you wrote it, hoi! Noone else is taking credit for it!

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:13 am]: haha, they better not!

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:14 am]: I did the whole 'bluddy' thing

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:14 am]: you can't say... oh Sirius was the dog killed in 9/11 and also was in the truman show and so many other things and go... oh it's meaningless.

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:14 am]: Simon could take credit though, that'd be ok

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:15 am]: or e bil, are you saying what I must believe, I must believe the same as you?

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:16 am]: not at all, but you can't discount it either... otherwise the site that you are admin for is an extension of your own dogma.

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:16 am]: That's your belief coming out. I think we may have different world views. And yes, unfortunately, because I'm a mod my world view shapes how I handle the role.

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:17 am]: When I'm not a mod anymore, it will change, probably.

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:17 am]: I'd love to have a site that discusses everything like that but it's not the one Simon wants help with,

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:17 am]: so there it is.

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 1:17 am]: Viz the "Ferguson Riots".. nothing new under the sun. It sounds just like a re-hash of those Tottenham Riots (in London) last year (sim black kid executed by armed robo-cops) which no doubt was just a recycling of earlier race riots, probably in the USA. They must have volumes of off-the-shelf blueprints, and documented examples of these strategy of tension psyops.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:17 am]: but then you I suppose you would just be saying that the Sirius connection, for instance, is just coincidence.

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:17 am]: @psy: who is Lyndon LaRouche? Sorry, it was a genuine question.

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:18 am]: no, or e bil, I'm saying as I've always said, I refuse to take a stance either way because of my responsibility to the forum's position of neutrality on certain subjects.

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:19 am]: me personally, you and I could probably have a great long discussion on these things, but we aren't. We don't know one another, and CF isn't the forum for it. Can you respect that?

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:19 am]: not meaning to put words in your mouth, but it appears that the appearance of "Blue Striped Shirts" is sort of a sign of a psyop because they happen to appear in a lot of them, right?

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:20 am]: I think that's weird, but Simon has allowed that to be something the forum takes a position on.

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:20 am]: It really is more like Simon's thing, so please don't play 'gotcha' with me, it is very hard to have to walk the line to avoid our forum being like DavidIcke forum

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:20 am]: or GodLikeProductions or something where anything goes

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:20 am]: Yes... I get you on that, Hoi, that is why we are discussing it here, right? :):)

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:21 am]: But I represent CF here, to a lot of people

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:21 am]: If you WANT to have a discussion on it, let's become friends and meet in person and all that

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 1:21 am]: @Hoi Polloi: Not sure who LaRouche is, now you've suggested he might be noone! He's the front man/"founding editor" of Executive Intelligence Review, a periodical published by his "private intelligence bureau". Claims deep links in CIA and other intel networks around the world, especially Russia / Asia. Lots of earlier stuff on PsyOps, the Tavistock Institute, and its penetration of the US

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:21 am]: interesting

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 1:21 am]: Yw

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 1:21 am]: ea

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:22 am]: no, psy, i literally just didn't know!

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 1:22 am]: oops. Yeah, shed-loads of free material. The redact some stuff, but not much.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:22 am]: LaRouche is a douche... totally an insider.

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:23 am]: Ok, here's a tricky question we also don't discuss on CF much

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:23 am]: Are there "good" insiders?

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:23 am]: Genuine whistleblowers "from the inside"?

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:23 am]: i think it's a religious belief

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:24 am]: whether you say yes or no

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:24 am]: because we don't know!

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 1:24 am]: He (or rather EIR) is worth reading between the lines. Some of their stuff is seminal. Their expose on the Drug Trade is almost unique. But he's also a Lunar Hoaxer, a Nookular hoaxer, and so on. But as I said, on the Tavistock Network, LaRouche's team, and John Coleman and so on, are on the money (as far as I can work out as an outsider)

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:24 am]: Good insiders is sort of a loaded question... once you start to put the pieces together, it makes it easy to backtrack other potential bits of fakery....

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:25 am]: I dont know if I understand what you just said

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:26 am]: If lets say you were just waking up today and had some sort of weird feeling about this latest riot or Donald Sterling Clippers incident and you found Sharpton and Jesse Jackson involved.

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 1:26 am]: Larouche also publishes historic stuff of note. The history of the British Empire, from its "emigration" from Venice. Lots of "real" history on European wars, anti-oligarchy. There is lots of good stuff in there. And it's all free, so fill your boots!

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:26 am]: You might be inclined to search backward in their histories to see where else they have made noise.

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:26 am]: If I were younger, I would have just said "oh cool, that's legit. I like Sharpton. he's kooky."

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:27 am]: and never would have done my own research

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:27 am]: You might even find the Martin Luther King incident and initially go NO way! to find out tthe stuff that we found out posted on CluesForum.

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:27 am]: I still find it rather confusing, to tell you the truth.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:28 am]: remember Jackson was a witness

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:28 am]: That's suspicious as hell

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:28 am]: Big time...

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 1:28 am]: There's something especially vile about these black community leaders or church leaders. Self-appointed, they seem to represent no one. Weighing in big when there's a psyop. Aren't they a bit of a menace to the black populus? Always there when the gummint needs them.

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:28 am]: I will check out Larouche, I guess. Why do you think it's bad, or e bil?

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:29 am]: Another Magic Bullet --- bounced off his Jaw down into his neck and spine a 30.06 round

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:29 am]: MLK you're talking now?

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:30 am]: The magic bullet theory is a media behavioral study from artound the 1930'2

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:30 am]: Yes... MLK, Reagan, JFK

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:30 am]: that's good stuff! why don't you post it in CF? it'd be a pity if you didn't!

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:30 am]: sorry 1930's

smj [August 18, 2014 - 1:30 am]: Check out Glenn Seaborg's bio. These insiders get around.

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 1:31 am]: EIR also 'do' a critical history of the phony Green Movement that's swept the globe. Seizing rich farmland in Africa, under the guise of "conservation" and so on. Lots of stuff on the Aquarian Conspiracy (as they call it) - the manufactured counterculture of sex,drugs and r&r.. They (nominally?) hate the Brits (which is no biggie with me) - takes your enemies to speak the truth about you..

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:31 am]: *that* sounds like your own research, the kind of thing we'd actually appreciate. i still don't fully understand why you are leaving if you have all this to say.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:31 am]: MLK's perfect open casket photos are a big sell for me

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:32 am]: I didn't say I was leaving... I am sort of retiring :)

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:32 am]: who knows.. If I find some peachy info I might post it.

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:33 am]: you have always posted good stuff

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:33 am]: My desire would be that more would find out stuff by investigating on their own, truthfully.

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 1:33 am]: EIR's The Aquarian Conspiracy -- a taster on the Tavistock Network - a somewhat dated report now - all the figures must be obsolete, but it seems pretty valid to me..

smj [August 18, 2014 - 1:33 am]: Remember marion berry and the 1977 hanafi seige?

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:33 am]: maybe you could just do like me, get your CluesForum goggles on for some of your research, and other stuff just dont put it on CF

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:34 am]: there is *plenty* of stuff for people to discover on their own

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:34 am]: Oh I still check things out, that's for sure.

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:34 am]: the world is barraged in constant information!

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:35 am]: no shortage of that

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:35 am]: but i hear ya

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:35 am]: Peter has that part right... I think of Society as a Cloud of information and the possible truth as another much smaller cloud

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:36 am]: To exist in the big cloud you sort of have to learn go along lest you look like a loon to everyone.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:36 am]: And Society contains laws separate from Natural Law.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:37 am]: So, you pretty much gotta play society's stupid rules to stay in society.

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 1:37 am]: what is society though? I don't a toss what some drunk man in the bar thinks about me and my views on 911.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:38 am]: But, for instance, my view is when you spot possible/probable Psyops like the Unibomber, there may be more to it. Check out his manifesto... Breveik also had oneand copied much of the Unibomber's.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:40 am]: @psyopticon: Society, I would almost define as rules/lifestyle accepted by the greater populous.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:40 am]: But in no way do they have to be righteous...

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 1:40 am]: I lost a friend (female) over 911. She was so caught up in the propaganda of it all, she felt the need to attack me for my lack of patriotism, or some such. Then as I could see the truth dawning in her, the paranoid set in. She started to realise the extent of the fakery, but rather than celebrate that epiphany, instead she retreated into a paranoid world of talking in hushed tones about 911 etc!

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:41 am]: 60 years ago, we would have been laughed at for suggesting that blacks and whites should be able to sip from the same drinking fountain.

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 1:41 am]: Or that man might one day land on the moon!

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:41 am]: ha

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:41 am]: @psyopticon: Patriotism I am finding is just another useless dogma.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:42 am]: What qualities make a good Brit or American?

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:42 am]: well, i hope everyone "gets along" for a while, and stop finger pointing for a bit, i am really sleepy and i for one am going to bed

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:43 am]: gnight Hoi. Good chattin with you....

Hoi Polloi [August 18, 2014 - 1:43 am]: night!

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:43 am]: @psyopticon: I get you.. I have lost friends too.

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 1:43 am]: Good Brit/American? In my eyes? Or the eyes of Officialdom? Someone who doesn't wrap themselves in the flag. Nationalism has no place in my life. I do feel quite sick when I see a Union Jack flag flying outside someone's house. Presumptious maybe, but I can sort of tell the sort of family within.

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 1:44 am]: gnite hoi! thanks for beating all those crazy women off me!

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:44 am]: @psyopticon: Good for you on your stance re: Nationalism...

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 1:45 am]: we're getting more american now though. The kids have compulsory patriotism ("good citizenship") classes in school, and so on

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:46 am]: Yikes... they are cracking down here. No gum or mints allowed at Prom... No flying remote controlled airlines in the park.

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 1:46 am]: Nationalism, at least in Britain, goes hand in hand with right wing extremism. Neo Nazism, Race Hate, Soccer Riots. In itself probably gross stereotyping, but the stereotyping does attract that very sort!

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:47 am]: Yes, agreed.

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 1:47 am]: Even the old school patriotism of our grandparents was noxious in a sense. Celebrating the Empire, and the spoils of imperial war, the looting of the British colonies, and so on.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:49 am]: Yes... but, for instance, you don't want to stop talking to your Grandparents so you deal and let them voice based upon their knowledge and putting the pieces together through life...

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:49 am]: The mind gets in our way quite often.

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 1:50 am]: It's engrained in the older generation's culture.. So while the older Brit is usually impossibly polite, because of years of conditioning about the Greatness of the British Empire - and let's not forget, India only gained sovereignty in 1947, so very much in living memory, those oldies are also frustrating people to try and talk about things like 911!

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:51 am]: I am definitely going down the Spirit or soul in a physical existence road. Take the movie "Avatar" for instance. Did you root for the American Military Members to steal the Unobtainium because it would have helped their cause?

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 1:52 am]: Yeah, it's a case of getting the low-hanging fruit first. Not to waste time on uber-brainwashed people like my female (ex)-friend. Go for those already on the road to damascus! Do not stop to help those pulled over in a layby!

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 1:52 am]: Ive never seen the film. Years since I went to a cinema. To watch The Da Vinci Code, iirc, which was awful!

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:53 am]: You should see that one.... it has a good message.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:53 am]: The new Planet of the Apes has a false flag event in it too...

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 1:54 am]: Moving pictures are lost on me. No pleasure in them any more. Dunno when that happened. I was an avid (TV) movie fan in the 1990s, but I guess 911 changed all that. No bad thing, in retrospect!

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:55 am]: I get you.... perhaps there is a good description of the plot in Wikipedia or something.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:55 am]: Cliffs notes :)

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:56 am]: look at the wikipedia for "Idiocracy" too. You will find that if people don't flip and start using their own minds, that is where society is destined to go.

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 1:57 am]: Sorry about all that shit up there ^^^^^^ That lot and me are just not on the same wavelength. It seems they're on a mission; with a job to do, whereas this is just a passion for me.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:57 am]: Who knows what in the heck that used to be real "knowledge" we've lost along the way.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:58 am]: I get you...

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 1:58 am]: That sounds quite an interesting film! Box office takings just $500k!

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:59 am]: Yep... it's not a really great movie but has a good message... especially when you start to find out about the world.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 2:02 am]: Anyway @psyopticon Here's hoping you are real and don't let Clues down... Have a good one.

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 2:02 am]: I tell a lie, more cently, another female friend took me / insisted I went to see "Hotel Rwanda". Do you remember that one? I would call that riend quite "enlightened" in comparison to most Brits. Yet she couldn't see through the fairly trite and clumsy pro-American propaganda running right through it. And the likelihood that the whole war was fake or staged.

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 2:02 am]: cently = recently

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 2:03 am]: yeah, i gotta go. dropping my letters now from tiredness! I'm about as real as they come! Outspoken and intolerant maybe, but sincere.!

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 2:03 am]: take it easy. bye!

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 2:03 am]: Yes... it's definitely difficult to know what is real or not if we have not experienced it ourselves. That may be part of the lesson...

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 2:04 am]: Have a good one!..

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 2:15 am]: So... Videre and Khammad.. I've been sort of a lurker to Ab's site for quite a while.. You should both be proud that you are females and awake. :) I think you gals a fed a whole heap of different propaganda than males are in what normally interests us...

Videre Licet [August 18, 2014 - 2:16 am]: @or e bil: probably

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 2:17 am]: maybe proud is the wrong word.., I think I am concluding that Pride is one of the things that gets us in trouble too :)

Videre Licet [August 18, 2014 - 2:17 am]: @or e bil: ego gets in the way of letting those asleep see reality

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 2:17 am]: You got it....

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 2:18 am]: at least from where I see things.

Videre Licet [August 18, 2014 - 2:19 am]: sad that it is meant to protect but does the opposite

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 2:20 am]: Yes...I agree. The mind certainly has a way to lie to ones self.

Videre Licet [August 18, 2014 - 2:21 am]: @or e bil: you are in california?

Videre Licet [August 18, 2014 - 2:22 am]: southern or northern?

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 2:22 am]: Yes I am... very near to Magic Mountain

Videre Licet [August 18, 2014 - 2:22 am]: soo cool. actually pretty warm today

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 2:23 am]: I live by probably one of the birthplaces of psyopper central.. California Institute of the Arts...

Videre Licet [August 18, 2014 - 2:23 am]: oh fun

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 2:23 am]: It's been really hot lately. Have been staying inside too much.

Videre Licet [August 18, 2014 - 2:24 am]: strangely humid

khammad [August 18, 2014 - 2:24 am]: @or e bil: Hello. So you are from Cluesforum?

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 2:25 am]: That's right... you are from California as well?

khammad [August 18, 2014 - 2:25 am]: State of Washingotn

khammad [August 18, 2014 - 2:25 am]: I can smoke pot

khammad [August 18, 2014 - 2:25 am]: legally

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 2:26 am]: @khammad: Sorry was talking to Videre on that one re: California. Yes, I am from Cluesforum.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 2:26 am]: That's awesome... believe it or not, I have been thinking of relocating to Washington lately for the lower cost of living.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 2:27 am]: I need to check it out first, though..

khammad [August 18, 2014 - 2:27 am]: Like CA, cost of living depends on where you live

khammad [August 18, 2014 - 2:27 am]: In Seattle, about 3 times that of Tacoma

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 2:28 am]: I'm sure... and it would def be more in Tacoma area. I have a buddy who lives there that moved about 5 years ago from here and has nothing but good things to say.

khammad [August 18, 2014 - 2:29 am]: Tacoma is a pretty cool city. Lots of Funk. Like a mini Portland

khammad [August 18, 2014 - 2:30 am]: Still using super old buildings. I like that

khammad [August 18, 2014 - 2:30 am]: Nowadays, these old buildings have earthquake straps

khammad [August 18, 2014 - 2:30 am]: Giant straps crisscrossing major walls

khammad [August 18, 2014 - 2:31 am]: 3 stories high

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 2:31 am]: Funny you mention pot... when I sort of started down the more spiritual road, I discovered a bunch of books talking about the values of psychedelics. My latest experience was San Pedro cactus -- San Pedro is named after St. Peter -- the saint said to have held the key to heaven :)

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 2:32 am]: some crazy story like that..

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 2:33 am]: It really makes you feel 'Love' in a major big way.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 2:34 am]: Also makes you feel kinda ill when you think of how the big corps are fekking up the earth for our resources.

khammad [August 18, 2014 - 2:36 am]: Oh ya, big corps are fekkin the earth up real good

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 2:37 am]: Peter is dead on regarding the benefits of Cannabis Oil too. Two people I know diag's with cancer used it with success.

khammad [August 18, 2014 - 2:38 am]: I have looked into alternative meds. Yup, pots the BEST

khammad [August 18, 2014 - 2:39 am]: My mom recently had a stroke. On RSO, doctors cannot believe how well she is progressing. Way faster than normal

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 2:40 am]: That's awesome. And truly cool that she considered an alternative treatment than just listening to the Doc's likely advice.

khammad [August 18, 2014 - 2:41 am]: It was tough, she loves it when the doctor gives her pills

khammad [August 18, 2014 - 2:42 am]: She was at our mercy because of the stroke, so we just made her take it. Luckily, we had talked it up waaaaay before that.

khammad [August 18, 2014 - 2:42 am]: So it was a pleasant experience for all of us :)

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 2:42 am]: I prob should have asked.. Is RSO cannabis related LOL I am assuming it is since it's what we were talking about.

khammad [August 18, 2014 - 2:42 am]: RSO = Rick Simpson Oil

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 2:43 am]: I love hearing success stories like that.

khammad [August 18, 2014 - 2:43 am]: You don't know what RSO is?

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 2:43 am]: Ahh... I believe i have heard of that.

khammad [August 18, 2014 - 2:43 am]: You have a lot of fun research ahead of you.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 2:44 am]: Oh man... as I was telling Hoi, I'm getting researched out... at least posting-wise.

khammad [August 18, 2014 - 2:45 am]: Not just humans, but the lonely sea squirt has cannabinoid receptors.

khammad [August 18, 2014 - 2:46 am]: It is almost as pot was made to fit our receptors

khammad [August 18, 2014 - 2:47 am]: Generally or just tonight?

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 2:47 am]: Yes... it's possible. I posted a bit about that on Cluesforum regarding a movie called Reefer Madness and then a year after its release, Hemp and Pot was controlled.

khammad [August 18, 2014 - 2:48 am]: "I'm getting researched out" In what way?

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 2:49 am]: Pretty much generally... I sort of feel like I have seen what I need to see about all of the phoniness re: the media to know that it is definitely there.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 2:50 am]: As I was telling Hoi, for people to see it on their own, I think it is best to do one's own investigation and use their reason to come to their own conclusion.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 2:50 am]: Then hopefully others agree.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 2:51 am]: When I started out on clues I wanted to be this hero type that found "The" item that would convince everyone for sure!

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 2:51 am]: LOL But it's not the way in works in my opinion.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 2:54 am]: And I personally think there is way more to the fakery stuff now than just fooling the massses.

khammad [August 18, 2014 - 2:56 am]: This is a topic here that we struggle with understanding.

khammad [August 18, 2014 - 2:56 am]: Answers are unknowable but we ponder them anyway.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 2:56 am]: Yes.. Well it can go one of at least two ways, I think.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 2:57 am]: To me it's no longer a question of them wanting some or all folks to figure things out.

khammad [August 18, 2014 - 2:57 am]: Clues isn't for pondering. Welcome to the unknown :)

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 2:57 am]: But, that intention could be for good or bad purposes.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 2:59 am]: Yep Hoi and I were discussing that as well.. Reminds me of the old thing from that Detective Show.. I think his name is Friday and he says "Just the facts, Maam"

khammad [August 18, 2014 - 2:59 am]: "To me it's no longer a question of them wanting some or all folks to figure things out." So what is the question then?

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 3:00 am]: Clues is sort of... "Just the Fakery, Maam." which is perfectly OK too.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 3:02 am]: Hmm.. I suppose knowing that things are so controlled can make one feel fear. I suppose also that there are so many layers and lies that once you start to formulate a possible opinion, you may start to question yourself... let that mind get in the way again.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 3:04 am]: Has finding out about media fakery affected you in any significant way?

khammad [August 18, 2014 - 3:06 am]: And that's why we are a 'group'. Bouncing ideas off each other (and I do believe making friends in these forums are important) with people you can trust takes care of that imagination thing that might get in the way

khammad [August 18, 2014 - 3:07 am]: I was distraught by 911. Now I have relief.

khammad [August 18, 2014 - 3:08 am]: Sometimes I worry that it's too convenient.

khammad [August 18, 2014 - 3:08 am]: I welcomed media fakery. The news makes sense now.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 3:08 am]: Good for you... getting past the fear is a big step.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 3:09 am]: I think it is extremely convenient... if that gives you a gauge of where my head is at.

khammad [August 18, 2014 - 3:09 am]: But bil, the weird freaky shit are the paid shills

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 3:10 am]: Yes that is a strange addition to the recipe of things.

khammad [August 18, 2014 - 3:11 am]: I wish I had it all figures out like some

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 3:12 am]: Perhaps to instill more doubt... more fear... or just plain disinfo... just another hurdle

khammad [August 18, 2014 - 3:12 am]: my brain wants me to entertain every possible fekkin possibility

khammad [August 18, 2014 - 3:13 am]: i have to tell it to shut up

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 3:14 am]: I'm not sure anyone has it all figured out but I think the punchline is that you should always, in the end rely on your own mind and instincts which I think get better developed as we go along our road to discovery.

khammad [August 18, 2014 - 3:14 am]: well said.

khammad [August 18, 2014 - 3:15 am]: Are you like 100 years old with wisdom like that?

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 3:15 am]: I don't think that it's a coincidence that so many of these things sometimes point to eastern religions, kabbalah and the such..

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 3:16 am]: one doesn't have to accept the dogma but even some of the ideas presented make so much sense to me at least.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 3:16 am]: You would have to see for yourself... your experience and ability to reason are your tools.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 3:17 am]: I am not religious myself, by the way just as an FYI

khammad [August 18, 2014 - 3:18 am]: i grew up Catholic, then spent the next 30 years as a Muslim, now I'm everything and none of it

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 3:18 am]: You are Muslim I believe I have ascertained... Have you looked deeper into the Sufi's for instance.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 3:19 am]: got it...

khammad [August 18, 2014 - 3:19 am]: Sufis are engaged in mostly cultural practices

khammad [August 18, 2014 - 3:20 am]: they use exceepts from the Quran, and love poetry

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 3:21 am]: Have you seen the video-- I Pet Goat II ? Some would likely accuse it of being new-ageish but I really like the message.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 3:21 am]: My Pet Goat was the book Bush was reading to the kids on 9/11

khammad [August 18, 2014 - 3:22 am]: so it's like a hint of Islam, throw in some male domination, mix it with some poetry and you have Sufiism. Sorry it that offends.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 3:22 am]: I cannot be offended anymore LOL

khammad [August 18, 2014 - 3:23 am]: Do you have the link to the goat thing?

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 3:23 am]: yeah one sec

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 3:24 am]: From the website of the publisher.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 3:25 am]: The website has extra explanation about the characters, etc...

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 3:26 am]: I literally have prob watched that thing like 40 or fifty times to pick up all of the hidden imagery.

khammad [August 18, 2014 - 3:28 am]: I might smoke a doobie and see what else I can pick That vid is loaded with stuff. It does a number on your brain.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 3:30 am]: I can imagine it would be awesome high :)

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 3:31 am]: I would recommend examining their descriptions of the characters so as not to be too confused.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 3:34 am]: Not sure if you dropped off or not but I think I'm gonna hit the sack. Great chatting with you and have a g'night.

khammad [August 18, 2014 - 10:10 am]: @or e bil: nite.

khammad [August 18, 2014 - 10:15 am]: @or e bil: and good morning !

smj [August 18, 2014 - 11:28 am]: "Wild bill" libby, the nuke hoax geiger hustler, is responsible for the carbon 14 scam; but I think is old lady is more interesting. She not only worked on Fermi ' s pile of shit, she was also a key player in the green movement hustle.

smj [August 18, 2014 - 11:37 am]: Her first husband worked in Ci cago with her. He was John Marshall ' s great great great..grandson. Marshall was probably the greatest bullshitter in the sordid history of American jurisprudence. Go figure.

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PeterShea [August 18, 2014 - 1:19 pm]: i think you will benefit from kate's writings or e bil. they are far from just legal realisations. i understand where you are at. the only way is up.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:27 pm]: Thanks Peter. Yes, I checked out Kate's site quite a while per a suggestion of yours. Much of it does make perfect sense but for now am trying to figure out more how to coexist in this crazy society of ours....

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:29 pm]: I sort of attacked the 'in-justice' system in a big way on clues and the information Kate presents certainly seems in line somehow with much of it.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:33 pm]: That was quite a fireworks display with you and Psyopticon the other night. Good for you for standing your ground. I have never heard a person's personality change on a dime like his did.

PeterShea [August 18, 2014 - 1:33 pm]: I never said that I didn't think you wrote the vicsim report hoi, just that i believe that there is more going on than meets the eye.

PeterShea [August 18, 2014 - 1:34 pm]: he is an operator or e bil. of this there is no doubt. I am just pointing it out and moving on.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:36 pm]: Makes total sense.

PeterShea [August 18, 2014 - 1:37 pm]: and yes, I guessed he might have been fred from cluesforum but Reichstag fireman is an option I overlooked.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:38 pm]: In the very beginning his writing certainly reminded me of Reichstag's. Reichstag was excellent at pointing out fakery too, but for some reason wanted to police the forum and call tons of people out as shills including me at one point.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:40 pm]: He never attacked the senior members though. One day I picked up on this and made a mention... This Reichstag guy sort of panicked, answering everyone's posts like he was the guru of fakery... It must have been exhausting

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:41 pm]: He seemed to have a Canadian cohort named Maggie as I remember who appeared to be his biggest fan. She seems to have stopped posting since Reichstag flamed out.

PeterShea [August 18, 2014 - 1:41 pm]: divide and conquer strategies. videre has it right. good luck on your path or e bil. for me there is no going home now.

PeterShea [August 18, 2014 - 1:43 pm]: he knows too much. such men are dangerous.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:45 pm]: You are referring to Reichstag?

PeterShea [August 18, 2014 - 1:47 pm]: yes.

PeterShea [August 18, 2014 - 1:49 pm]: taken from a Julius Caesar quote 'yond cassius has a mean and hungry look. he thinks too much . such men are dangerous'.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:49 pm]: Back then, it sort of freaked me out. I don't sweat things too much anymore.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:50 pm]: Like your confrontation with Psyopticon... I couldn't believe how fast he turned from being apparently so proper to being an attack dog.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:51 pm]: He almost made it too obvious...

PeterShea [August 18, 2014 - 1:51 pm]: anyway, i'll drop this and move on.

PeterShea [August 18, 2014 - 1:55 pm]: I think the voice distorter clip sunk his ship. and he could do nothing but lash out. now he is lick-arsing hoi, and it seems to be working. me, not bothered.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:55 pm]: There was something I found the other day and you sort of popped into my mind... I will have to look for it. It was slightly different idea than Kate's regarding standing in Truth and your name being the thing that allows commerce.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:56 pm]: I will see if I can find it...

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 1:58 pm]: I don't blame Hoi really for letting him continue on Clues, until he proves himself an agent there. But what happened here is hopefully a big red flag.

PeterShea [August 18, 2014 - 1:59 pm]: great show from yesterday what happens when you stand in truth and take down a house of fucking fake cards.

PeterShea [August 18, 2014 - 2:01 pm]: each journey is an individual one, ever converging.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 2:02 pm]: Yes, indeed.

PeterShea [August 18, 2014 - 2:02 pm]: hoi will do himself no favours by associating with this character imo. but so be it.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 2:04 pm]: He sort of serves a purpose, though. He seems to want to bounce people from Psyop to Psyop without putting much thought into it... sort of the ADHD version of investigation.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 2:05 pm]: I generally look much deeper into them for possible hidden gems or possible additional purpose.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 2:06 pm]: As I was talking to Hoi yesterday about this, take the Unibomber manifesto for instance. That document raises some serious questions as to how humans are gonna cope with evolution of technology.

PeterShea [August 18, 2014 - 2:08 pm]: I don't dwell on the intricacies of fakery anymore. there is a much greater game in play. perhaps I don't belong here too much but I do greatly appreciate this forum, cluesforum and a handful of other sites.

PeterShea [August 18, 2014 - 2:10 pm]: i think we weren't ready for a the new era then. we needed to grow. now we are ready-er.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 2:13 pm]: Yes.. I know I have personally changed a lot in the past few years. In the end I think that is all we can do is change ourselves for the better to see the changes in the world.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 2:15 pm]: It's much easier to have compassion for your fellow man when you know how much propaganda is being fed to everyone day to day.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 2:16 pm]: Much easier to forgive others for misdeeds... to forgive ones self as well.

PeterShea [August 18, 2014 - 2:21 pm]: i look upon many conspiracy sites as upon different grades thru school. there are limits set to each levels curriculum and the set bounds will not be crossed. our individual discernment and free will navigates us thru grades and take things to where the universe leads. we are all on different but ever converging paths. all paths lead towards forgiveness, compassion and love.

PeterShea [August 18, 2014 - 2:22 pm]: all begins and ends with self love. if i cannot love myself, how can i hope to love anyone else.

PeterShea [August 18, 2014 - 2:23 pm]: no fakery tolerated there.

PeterShea [August 18, 2014 - 2:24 pm]: my second to last comment must mean something. it posted at 2.22. O:-D

PeterShea [August 18, 2014 - 2:24 pm]: :)

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 2:25 pm]: :) And Yes, what you say makes sense to me for certain.

PeterShea [August 18, 2014 - 2:27 pm]: :)

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 2:36 pm]: I don't know if you have had the opportunity to peruse the Miles Mathis site that fellow member Richard Benedict pointed out regarding the Tate- LaBianca events, but that guy has some very interesting essays.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 2:38 pm]: Some of his musing on the art market are especially interesting -- How prices might possible set for silly, unimaginative art etc...

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 2:55 pm]: Sort of falls in line with the rest of the apparent attempted "dumbing down" of society.

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 2:56 pm]: Just reading through your tripe, libero, and couldn't help recalling that Hoi was wondering why you even joined Cluesforum, when it's clear you're only bringing shite to the forum. Lately "mystical synchronicity" (snigger). How does that tie into media fakery?! What a clown!

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 2:59 pm]: I think we've rumbled Libero as another stooge - there to derail focussed discussion of fakery with New Age claptrap, tedious dwelling on esoteria, and totally unprovable links between psyops and popular culture; you're in good company here with the twits spewing their numerological garbage. And you call me an agent? You and shea are well suited. A mindless pair of boneheaded operatives.

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 3:01 pm]: Did you see that Hoi was less than pleased to be called a fraud by PeterShea, who claims that Hoil didn't write the VicSim report as it was "too good". That's shea in a nutshell - offensive low-grade grunt, on some spooky payroll, who brings nothing to the table, ever.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 3:01 pm]: :) Nothing mystical about it, amigo. Too much coincidence for me to call it synchronicity.

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 3:03 pm]: Is it any wonder that PeterShea no longer posts to cluesforum. Just like Libero, Shea was oozing puseous bile about "chemtrails" and "mystical synchronicity" and all the other steaming piles of drivel that have been manufactured to distract, and derail serious counter-intelligence research. So that, my friends, is the background to both Shea and Libero, and countless clowns hanging around t

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 3:05 pm]: countless clowns hanging around them.. What's noteworthy is that many of these halfwitted operatives like Libero and Shea work as pack animals, in a sort of tag-team game of mutual backslapping, and targetted attacks on anyone truly exposing the frauds and hoaxes that run right through our societies.

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 3:08 pm]: If anything can be learned from the activities of Shea and Libero, it is that they work in teams, sockpuppets coordinated from behind a thick layer of curtain, by the usual suspects in the Tavistock Network (Esalen, Rand, Hudson Institute, Sloan School, and so on).

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 3:10 pm]: MH370 and allusions to the television show "Lost." One World Trade Center, One World Airline consortium.... One World trade center (an Anti-prism -- E Pluribus Unum) cut in middle forms an octagon. A big part of "Lost" was the Dharma project, their symbol, of course being an Octagon. Characters in the MH370 event with the last name of weeks... Cut the One World Trade center in half a

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 3:12 pm]: nd you have 52 above as 52 below. One of the characters is taken in a picture wearing t-shirt with the name of "Hurley" on it. Hurley is a character in "Lost" There is no trademarked Hurley emblem on this shirt.

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 3:12 pm]: So long as we recognise that Shea, Libero and the other goons are perverted scoundrels - psychopaths in the truest sense - enemies of truth, then we can neutralise and insulate ourselves from their sewer hole outputs, they use to derail our logical thinking. The first rule in Tzo's 3000 year old book the Art Of War - and this is a psychological war (psywar) for our minds - is "Know Thine Enemy

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 3:13 pm]: you don't belong on this forum, Libero - and even less is there a place for you on Cluesforum, as was said to you yesterday.

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 3:14 pm]: Jonti Roos is a character that visited the cockpit before the plane was "Lost." A Jaunty Ruse is a "Playful Hoax".

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 3:14 pm]: Shea at least recognises that noone trusts him on Cluesforum (after posting his dung about chemtrails and phony legal arguments to escape all our debts!)

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 3:15 pm]: Aww. amazing. you;ve found some mystical synchronicitifated between the very real world of psyops and the fantasy cuckoo land of Hollywool. Who's a clever boy then?

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 3:16 pm]: Anyone who looks more into these events if they care to find out if they are real, I would imagine..

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 3:18 pm]: "Lost" was actually that type of TV show. One could breeze right through it for pure entertainment value, or could pay attention to look more for the hidden meaning and symbolism.

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 3:18 pm]: yes and osama bin laden lived in a cave in the tora bora mountains! c + a + v + e = 4 + 3 + 9 + 2 = 18 = 1 + 8 = 9. There's one for you and Ab Irato to file in your magnificent repository of numerological claptrap!

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 3:19 pm]: Aren't well all clever here, with our whacko musings! What an ingenious bunch we are libero, you little twerp!

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 3:19 pm]: Did he?

psyopticon [August 18, 2014 - 3:21 pm]: Well, the narrative of Sheikh Osama, cave-dwelling billionaire, was certainly in one those goonish Hollywool productions that you're so sure can guide our rational thinking!

or e bil [August 18, 2014 - 3:25 pm]: Yeah, they probably could have put a bit more imagination into the kill, DNA and plop him in the ocean in 24 hours story... far to unbelievable for my taste.

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